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So I'm in a bit of a dilemma atm. 

My laptop had to have the hard drive replaced, and the windows 7 I had on it was a Home Premium, but I've replaced it with a Professional so the drives etc won't work on it. I can get the drives working, but I've had the machine for almost two years now and was thinking about an upgrade in the Summer. 

I can't see the point in spending money on a machine that I'll keep for another two months at the most, which doesn't even a very good graphics card or processor anyway so won't let me use Photoshop/After Effects/Maya anyway so need good for my Uni course. 

Have seen a few decent PC's online, so would like to maybe start using them with good graphics capabilites so I can run BF4/ Day Z/ Arma decently. Would like to start getting into that side of gaming, but at the same time want to get a PS4. Was thinking about a steambox as well for gaming,  and considered getting a good PC for gaming and my work-and then a small laptop/cheap chromebook style thing for using around the place as I don't like the idea of being confined to one place like a desktop would. 

So what would be my best bet. Atm I'm thinking of repairing the laptop for as little as I could and cashing in on it in the Summer, then use some of that plus Student loan (once my recent is out of the way) to buy a Laptop/PC. 

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Loore said:
Would it be worth running two mid range cards in Crossfire as opposed to just one upper range card? I'm not too familiar with Crossfire but I'd certainly look at the benefits of a single (better model) card over two old GPUs.

Side note, but if anyone is running an Nvidia GPU you should check out this, some great performance gains to be had, including F1 2013.
thanks for the advertising the new drivers they'll be a big help as I've tried downloading the last updated drivers and they didn't work but this new set does

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Is there any real performance difference from a GTX 770 to another similarly priced or similarly performing high end AMD card?
Sure is. I looked at the AMD alternatives, but in the £230-£240 price range it was just the best card overall for gaming.

These are the other 2 I looked at compared to the GTX 770 that I bought:

XFX Radeon 7970 vs Palit GTX 770 OC
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/XFX-Radeon-HD-7970-vs-Palit-GeForce-GTX-770-OC

MSI Radeon R9 280X vs Palit GTX 770 OC
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Palit-GeForce-GTX-770-OC-vs-MSI-Radeon-R9-280X

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Is there any real performance difference from a GTX 770 to another similarly priced or similarly performing high end AMD card?
Sure is. I looked at the AMD alternatives, but in the £230-£240 price range it was just the best card overall for gaming.

These are the other 2 I looked at compared to the GTX 770 that I bought:

XFX Radeon 7970 vs Palit GTX 770 OC
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/XFX-Radeon-HD-7970-vs-Palit-GeForce-GTX-770-OC

MSI Radeon R9 280X vs Palit GTX 770 OC
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Palit-GeForce-GTX-770-OC-vs-MSI-Radeon-R9-280X
I take it you have the 2 gig 770 then in your system?

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I do indeed :)
that might also explain why I was able to run TR at max on mine then whereas you couldn't as I've got the 4 gig version not the 2 gig one as the 770's come in 2 versions and perhaps the extra memory helped too It is more expensive but worth it

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I do indeed :)
that might also explain why I was able to run TR at max on mine then whereas you couldn't as I've got the 4 gig version not the 2 gig one as the 770's come in 2 versions and perhaps the extra memory helped too It is more expensive but worth it
I can play TR at max on mine :p With full tessellation and TressFX too. It was my GTX 660 that couldn't play it maxed out.

Honestly, I haven't missed the extra 2GB, every game I've thrown at it has gone maxed out/ultra with most being at or above 60 FPS :)

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Loore said:
I'm with Dustin and sjs on this, a single high-end GPU is better than 2 mid range GPU's in crossfire.
That's what I was getting at :)

@SynGamer said "I'm leaning towards an AMD A10-5800K + mid-range AMD GPU (will CrossFire)." 

Hence my follow up asking if a single high end would be better than two mid range :)
My bad @Loore, the AMD CPU I mentioned has a low end GPU built in so whatever impair with it will be crossfire (assuming its an AMD card). If I don't go with an APU CPU setup, I would definitely spend the money on a high end card versusntwo low or mid range cards crossfired

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Found the last benchmark I did on TR, everything completely maxed out:


yeah that's the reading I get too that is minus the tessellation maybe once I get the SSD in though that'll change given it does help boost load times and I think that's where my system is struggling most right now nut that'll change in a few days given it's on order just got to wait for the postman to bring it :D

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That's with the game loading from my 1TB HDD bud :p I think the boost for me comes from the i7, putting that in massively increased how games perform. Like I couldn't max AC4 with the 770 and OC'd FX8320, but with the 770 and i7 both at stock it max's no problem :)

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That's with the game loading from my 1TB HDD bud :p I think the boost for me comes from the i7, putting that in massively increased how games perform. Like I couldn't max AC4 with the 770 and OC'd FX8320, but with the 770 and i7 both at stock it max's no problem :)
yeah well I7's aer pretty powerful mine was or at least the one in my old machine was but it was just getting old my new system is definitely performing better even without the SSD so it'll handle like a dream when I do put it in I think

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Which i7 did you have? The one in mine is a 4770K so it's gonna be a while till it needs upgrading :D

Oh indeed, you're gonna notice a pretty hefty increase in performance! When you click something and it appears instantly, and when you open a game and the loading screen takes 1/3 of the time it used to... It'll put a smile on your face :)

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the 970

http://www.amazon.co.uk/INTEL-CORE-I7-960-SKT-1366/dp/B00387K2MS/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1396978250&sr=1-1&keywords=i7+970


it was a pretty good processor just getting old and the liquid cooling system needed topping up anyway so decided it was time for a change so I changed to a custom build Cyberpower system late jan early Feb cost £1700 but so far it's been totally worth it. I did hear recently a few days ago on a youtube vid that Intel are about to start releasing 8 core  processors soon themselves so I wouldn't discount that yet

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The Intel 8-cores are on the way, but the price will put them out of most peoples range. And while my quad-core outperforms even AMD's highest spec 8-core (FX 9590) I'm sitting pretty :p

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@EdMa‌, if I was in your position I'd go the Chromebook/PC route. It sounds like you need specialist programmes for your course which would perhaps run better/only run on Windows, but for a cheap, fast device that can do coursework on the go you can't go wrong with the Chromebook. When I was at Uni, I made extensive use of Google Drive, which allowed me to back up all my Uni work to the cloud and work on it on the Uni PCs/my PC/Tablet and access Uni lectures whenever. A laptop designed around that, that launches in 7 seconds and is under £200 would beat a Windows laptop around that price point. 

I'd then go and build a Gaming PC. I'm slightly out the loop at the moment with regards to the best components for your money at the moment, but for £600 I'm sure you could get a PC that could handle programs that you need for University, game and have a decent monitor. 

So overall, your looking at about £800. If you went the PS4 way, that would be £400 for a start - I'm assuming you'd buy a game with it. That would leave you with £400 if you were comparing that to the price of PC/lappy - enough for an average laptop or a PC with a decent processor but nothing in the way of graphics card. But, if you got a PS4, you wouldn't be gaming on the PC would you? 

Generally speaking, anyone here who has went out and got a PC has declared themselves PC centric now. It really does offer the better gaming experience if you don't find yourself interested in the console exclusive games. And you can run a HDMI to your TV and play Steam in big picture mode if you wanted; better than going the Steam Machine route. 

If you want anymore advice/chat send a PM or drop a reply - mostly just random thoughts here. 

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The Intel 8-cores are on the way, but the price will put them out of most peoples range. And while my quad-core outperforms even AMD's highest spec 8-core (FX 9590) I'm sitting pretty :p
true but I doubt there's much between them given the AMD chip does have a higher clock speed but running faster doesn't necessarily mean better as it's more likely to over heat unless it's accompanied by a really good cooling system that's why I went a couple of steps down myself and went with the 8350 because I didn't need more speed just a better overall system besides I've other ways of getting my system up to speed as that's what the SSD is for

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Herby007 said:
On another note, someone recommend me a good pair of gaming headphones.
Plantronics ones are pretty good I've got a pair of surround sound ones and they work really well  mine are a bit old now but I think they still sell on Amazon though

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The Intel 8-cores are on the way, but the price will put them out of most peoples range. And while my quad-core outperforms even AMD's highest spec 8-core (FX 9590) I'm sitting pretty :p
true but I doubt there's much between them given the AMD chip does have a higher clock speed but running faster doesn't necessarily mean better as it's more likely to over heat unless it's accompanied by a really good cooling system that's why I went a couple of steps down myself and went with the 8350 because I didn't need more speed just a better overall system besides I've other ways of getting my system up to speed as that's what the SSD is for
Heats no problem :p If anything the 8-core will run at a higher temp due to it needing over double the power under load. Mine idles around 24°-26°, I can't remember ever having it over 70° and Intel says max temp for it is 105° so no problems there.

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0079G2Y52/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d1_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=03QHHKR57B465VXJBKY4&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=455344027&pf_rd_i=468294

Was looking at these, seem decent.

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The Intel 8-cores are on the way, but the price will put them out of most peoples range. And while my quad-core outperforms even AMD's highest spec 8-core (FX 9590) I'm sitting pretty :p
true but I doubt there's much between them given the AMD chip does have a higher clock speed but running faster doesn't necessarily mean better as it's more likely to over heat unless it's accompanied by a really good cooling system that's why I went a couple of steps down myself and went with the 8350 because I didn't need more speed just a better overall system besides I've other ways of getting my system up to speed as that's what the SSD is for
Heats no problem :p If anything the 8-core will run at a higher temp due to it needing over double the power under load. Mine idles around 24°-26°, I can't remember ever having it over 70° and Intel says max temp for it is 105° so no problems there.
that's what I wsa saying regarding the AMD it has twice as many cores therefore twice the heat build up mine idles about 27/28 but then mine only clocks at 4.1 the 9590 I think can go over 5 overclocked based on what I read about it bury 4.1 is fast enough for me as it is at least matching the speed of my old system (obviously can't beat it without SSD assistance as both machines aer held bsack by more conventional hard drives) and beating it in terms of game performance heats not a problem for me right now as mine only has gone into the 40's when playing more recent games. generally it stays in the mid 30's at most when playing my older ones could change when the weather gets warm and we have 30 degrees in temp outside but that's not a problem I'm worrying about now

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Herby007 said:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0079G2Y52/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d1_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=03QHHKR57B465VXJBKY4&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=455344027&pf_rd_i=468294

Was looking at these, seem decent.
that's the pair I've got and yeah they're pretty good and comfortable I can't say about the mic as I've never used that but the surround sound works really well on them

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got my SSD now just need to install and set it up and if it perfoms as quickly as it arrived then I know I've done the right thing :D

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