WimpyNick 1 Posted September 27, 2020 I can't access to the difficulty calculator. It says the the access has been denied and i need to ask the owner (you) permission to access it 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparticus19b 1 Posted September 28, 2020 Why did you lock us out of the calculator? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Simgiov 3 Posted September 28, 2020 I can access the file but the Calculator sheet is locked. If I duplicate it and I set my difficulty, the numbers below don't change. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NinjaElmo 20 Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) Fixed, sorry about that, it should be unlocked now. You should now also be able to copy it and have it update properly too. I'll aim for an update with more accurate suggestions once the performance update comes out. Edited September 28, 2020 by NinjaElmo 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NinjaElmo 20 Posted October 20, 2020 Hey all, Thanks to everyone who has left feedback, particularly those that covered all the tracks and used the calculator properly. Unfortunately I had to exclude a few results from people that didn't seem to set the calculator up properly (if your AI is too fast/slow at Spain, the whole calculator will not function correctly). It looks like lots of people have been using this calculator daily, so I feel like I have a bit of a resposnsibility to make the recommendations accurate. I've updated the calculator following the v1.12 update. Changes listed below: - Used top 10% time trial leaderboard times instead of WR times for some tracks. Thanks to @Gonira for the suggestion. This 'fixed' the suggestions for Singapore. - More accurately determined the base difficulty change from 100 - 101 (This should make everything more accurate, specifically Bahrain and Monaco) - Added weights based on survey feedback. Of note, the AI on Austria and Bahrain were identified as TOO SLOW, and the AI on Japan, Britain, and USA were identified as TOO FAST. The new calculator recommendations should reflect this feedback. I only changed these a small amount, so please leave further feedback so I can keep update and refine. - Survey feedback was inconclusive on Mexico and Singapore, where some users thought the AI was far too fast, some far too slow. - Cleaned up the formatting and deleted uneccessary stuff. Below is a table roughly showing the old recommendations, and the new recommendations (DO NOT USE THESE SPECIFICALLY - USE THE CALCULATOR FOR A MORE ACCURATE RESULT): Track OLD NEW Australia +4 +2 Bahrain -7 -3 Vietnam +1 0 China +2 +1 Netherlands +2 +3 Spain 0 0 Monaco +17 +7 Azerbaijan +1 +2 Canada 0 +2 France +1 -1 Austria +4 +8 Britain -7 -9 Hungary +11 +9 Belgium -5 -5 Italy -1 +1 Singapore +17 +7 Russia -3 -1 Japan -2 -4 USA -2 -4 Mexico +5 +2 Brazil 0 +3 Abu Dhabi +4 +4 DO NOT USE THESE - PLEASE USE THE CALCULATOR. Note: The changes here reflect multiple different changes in the calculator. Please leave feedback if you find a track is not accurate. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DRT-Apophis 101 Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, NinjaElmo said: Hey all, Thanks to everyone who has left feedback, particularly those that covered all the tracks and used the calculator properly. Unfortunately I had to exclude a few results from people that didn't seem to set the calculator up properly (if your AI is too fast/slow at Spain, the whole calculator will not function correctly). It looks like lots of people have been using this calculator daily, so I feel like I have a bit of a resposnsibility to make the recommendations accurate. I've updated the calculator following the v1.12 update. Changes listed below: - Used top 10% time trial leaderboard times instead of WR times for some tracks. Thanks to @Gonira for the suggestion. This 'fixed' the suggestions for Singapore. - More accurately determined the base difficulty change from 100 - 101 (This should make everything more accurate, specifically Bahrain and Monaco) - Added weights based on survey feedback. Of note, the AI on Austria and Bahrain were identified as TOO SLOW, and the AI on Japan, Britain, and USA were identified as TOO FAST. The new calculator recommendations should reflect this feedback. I only changed these a small amount, so please leave further feedback so I can keep update and refine. - Survey feedback was inconclusive on Mexico and Singapore, where some users thought the AI was far too fast, some far too slow. - Cleaned up the formatting and deleted uneccessary stuff. Below is a table roughly showing the old recommendations, and the new recommendations (DO NOT USE THESE SPECIFICALLY - USE THE CALCULATOR FOR A MORE ACCURATE RESULT): Track OLD NEW Australia +4 +2 Bahrain -7 -3 Vietnam +1 0 China +2 +1 Netherlands +2 +3 Spain 0 0 Monaco +17 +7 Azerbaijan +1 +2 Canada 0 +2 France +1 -1 Austria +4 +8 Britain -7 -9 Hungary +11 +9 Belgium -5 -5 Italy -1 +1 Singapore +17 +7 Russia -3 -1 Japan -2 -4 USA -2 -4 Mexico +5 +2 Brazil 0 +3 Abu Dhabi +4 +4 DO NOT USE THESE - PLEASE USE THE CALCULATOR. Note: The changes here reflect multiple different changes in the calculator. Please leave feedback if you find a track is not accurate. Singapore is heavily affected by how you drive. I noticed if you resist to drop to 2nd gear in slower turns your lap time will gets major improvement. Even at 110% I find the AI there to be too slow. Edited October 20, 2020 by DRT-Apophis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NinjaElmo 20 Posted October 21, 2020 14 hours ago, DRT-Apophis said: Singapore is heavily affected by how you drive. I noticed if you resist to drop to 2nd gear in slower turns your lap time will gets major improvement. Even at 110% I find the AI there to be too slow. Yeah Singapore is a funny one. The data I've looked at shows it as a track that the AI is slower on, and I've seen it brought up often on the forums and by various Youtubers as one of the AI's worst tracks, but then lots of people go crazy at the thought of making a 'difficult' track even more difficult. It's a punishing track sure, but the AI seems to be pretty slow there. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroeckoliBoop 2 Posted October 21, 2020 Just started using this for my new MyTeam save (just started on the whole game actually) because of the inconsistency of the AI from Australia to Bahrain. My baseline is the maximum of 106. Bahrain felt quite spot on tbh. My setup was designed for the race so I could only manage 19th in Qualifying with my team-mate De Vries in 21st. I think I was only 0.250 ahead of him? Pretty solid for a 65 rated driver though. In the race I was able to hit 14th place on a 2 stop with one car ahead retiring, and my team-mate hit 16th with a 3 stop. Was about 8 seconds ahead of Raikkonen, but far behind the other teams and drivers but Kvyat. With one race down I'm already quite satisfied! I'll do a few more races before filling out your survey, but you've done a really good job and service to the community, thank you. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coyote93 7 Posted November 14, 2020 Looks very interesting, I think I will try this calculator in my "my team" career mode on youtube as soon as possible, I had a lot of IA balancing problems in F1 2019, I hope this calculator will help me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cathal P 101 Posted November 21, 2020 This is just something I struggle with, (S means sector) in S1 Australia, S2 Australia and S1 Spain, I can compete with AI @102% but in S3, Spain and Australia, where the slower corners are, I lose almost one second. I believe the AI can just get a mega good drive out of slower, traction limited zones, that the player is just unable to match. I'd be interested to see if anyone else is losing time in the slower sectors, or if this is a personal issue I have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DRT-Apophis 101 Posted November 21, 2020 54 minutes ago, Cathal P said: This is just something I struggle with, (S means sector) in S1 Australia, S2 Australia and S1 Spain, I can compete with AI @102% but in S3, Spain and Australia, where the slower corners are, I lose almost one second. I believe the AI can just get a mega good drive out of slower, traction limited zones, that the player is just unable to match. I'd be interested to see if anyone else is losing time in the slower sectors, or if this is a personal issue I have. AI can control tires in really unrealistic way. I've tried making the tires to wear 20 times faster, and while my own tires popped right at the moment I touched the throttle, the AI were still able to drive around at a much slower but still reasonable pace and then pit at the end of lap 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krz9 0 Posted December 30, 2020 Jumping in here with my first comment. I loved reading this thread as I found that a good AI difficulty is a huge factor in having a good, immersive F1 game experience. In the past, I tracked my difficulty adjustments myself. Since I started discussing this with some friends we just ended up taking a few days to build a basic tool (F1Laps). It allows you to track your myteam/career progress & AI difficulty. The tool also calculates our average difficulty & difficulty adjustments per track, which we've published here: https://www.f1laps.com/pages/resources/f1-2020-game-difficulty-by-track (updates daily). Our adjustments are not super consistent with the calculator data -- I guess it's another case of each one of us having different track strengths & weaknesses, and not enough aggregate data yet to smooth out individual inconsistencies. Personally, my own approach mostly relies on my previous seasons. I prefer setting the difficulty based on how I perform "realistically" - even if it's not consistent with the "average" driver. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurtz 86 Posted December 30, 2020 4 hours ago, krz9 said: The tool also calculates our average difficulty & difficulty adjustments per track HI krz9. As someone who has never used an AI calculator before can you just confirm I am reading it correctly. If I go to your site and select Austria it shows an average difficulty of 96 and an average lap time of 1m 08.6564s. Does this mean that if my PB is 1m 08.6xx I should be setting the AI difficulty to 96? But what if my PB is 1m 09.6xx or 1m 07.6xx? How do I calculate what the AI needs to be set at? Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krz9 0 Posted December 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Lurtz said: HI krz9. As someone who has never used an AI calculator before can you just confirm I am reading it correctly. If I go to your site and select Austria it shows an average difficulty of 96 and an average lap time of 1m 08.6564s. Does this mean that if my PB is 1m 08.6xx I should be setting the AI difficulty to 96? But what if my PB is 1m 09.6xx or 1m 07.6xx? How do I calculate what the AI needs to be set at? Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere. Hi Lurtz - good question! There are different approaches to AI difficulty. None of which are perfect imo. Two that I've considered: Baseline difficulty + adjustments per track: once you have a sense for your average ("baseline") difficulty, you can then adjust it for each track based on how well you know/think you'll do. As an example, my own difficulty baseline is around 90 (meaning over the course of a season my average is about 90). For tracks I do well, such as Austria, I increase my difficulty by 5. For tracks I suck at, such as Vietnam, I decrease by 7. The page I've linked to is helpful with this approach, as it shows the average difficulty adjustment for each track. Laptime comparison: this approach is similar to what you've asked about. You first set your own laptime on a track, then compare it with some online benchmark which spits out the recommended difficulty. This works well if you're willing to always hop into Time Trial mode to set a few laptimes. It's important that you use Time Trial (and always the Mercedes), because laptimes depend on factors such as car performance, tire wear, engine mode, etc. Time Trial is the only mode that keeps those constant. If you'd set a lap in My Team Practice, for instance, you'd get a much slower laptime (e.g. because engine mode is lower, or because your car is weaker); and the slower laptime would then result in a lower suggested difficulty by any "difficulty calculator". Personally, I don't want to go to Time Trial each time I'm about to race a Grand Prix... hence I stick with approach #1. I'd love to hear if anyone has different approaches to this! With regards to the second approach, my friends and I are working on publishing our average laptime by difficulty data as well -- I'll post it here shortly, stay tuned. Please let me know if there's anything else I can help with - would love to hear more opinions on how to improve our data and make everyone's F1 experience better 🙂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krz9 0 Posted 16 hours ago On 12/30/2020 at 8:58 PM, Lurtz said: HI krz9. As someone who has never used an AI calculator before can you just confirm I am reading it correctly. If I go to your site and select Austria it shows an average difficulty of 96 and an average lap time of 1m 08.6564s. Does this mean that if my PB is 1m 08.6xx I should be setting the AI difficulty to 96? But what if my PB is 1m 09.6xx or 1m 07.6xx? How do I calculate what the AI needs to be set at? Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere. Following up on my last comment. I made good use of the days off and published some of our time trial laps data. Check out this new page for Austria (or the list of all tracks here). You can enter your own laptime and benchmark it against average AI laptimes per difficulty level on that track. A laptime of 1:09.600, for instance, would result in a suggested difficulty level of 38. As a reminder, this is all based on Mercedes Time Trial data -- that's the only way to make data comparable. As I mentioned in my last post, you could alternatively (once you know your average "baseline" difficulty level) adjust your AI difficulty based on the average per-track difficulty adjustments. And/or track your own AI difficulty levels to see your own progress over time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurtz 86 Posted 14 hours ago OK, so I entered my best Mercedes Austria Time Trial lap (1:05.937 - using a Tom97 setup) and this gives me a difficulty of 84. When I go to race, however, I will be in my Season 1 car which obviously is near the bottom of the development chart. Won't being in my own team car (as opposed to being in an all singing all dancing Mercedes) have an effect on my level of competitiveness? On the other hand, I have spent time building up data at Barcelona (driving as Perez) and 65 is the level which puts me close to Stroll. Adding the Austria 'offset' of +6 therefore suggests an AI level of 71. Although the above has got me completely confused over which AI level to use, it has at least led me to your website which I have found to match my own nerdiness over compiling data! Great site. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites