[CONTROLLER] Throttle&Brake %100 or %0

[werquast 0]

Hey guys,

When my wheel just stopped working, I bought a controller which is linked below.

https://www.mediamarkt.com.tr/tr/product/_frısby-fgp-230u-usb-titreşimli-gamepad-siyah-1204637.html

 

My question is throttle and brake are either at %100 or %0. I can't accelerate or brake lineerly. Is there a solution for this?

 

Best regards.

[ostendorfjens 41]

@werquast In the "Options" menu, pick "Settings," then "Controls, Vibration & Force Feedback." Pick your control scheme (the checkmarked one for your controller), next pick "Edit," then select the "Calibration" index.

For steering, throttle, and brakes, you get three options each. We have "Deadzone," which determines how much you need to move the stick until it registers with the game. Then we have "Saturation," which tells you how much you need to move the stick until the game considers it full steering. You usually don't want to tamper with these options all that much (maybe give it a bit of deadzone, if you have nervous fingers or your gamepad is ultra sensitive).

The option you're looking for is "Linearity." This really translates the movements of the sticks to steering inputs. Right now, it probably reads "0." This makes the controls very sensitive to even the slightest movements. If you increase this, the steering becomes less sensitive in the beginning, but the more you tilt the stick, the stronger your steering will be. Raise it to 50 for a very basic setup, then start experimenting with it until you reach a setting that feels good to you. This is pretty much a game of trial and error, so give it a few tries. You need to feel comfortable with it, and suggestions by other people often don't fit your own style.

I'd start with "Deadzone" at 5, "Lineatity" at 50, and "Saturation" at 0. That's more or less the setup I'm playing with. Start with this and then change it until you feel good about how the car feels.

Let me know if you need more pointers!

Edited August 18 by ostendorfjens

[werquast 0]

Thank you so much. When I use Right Stick for accelerating/braking, my problem is solved. But I want to use R2/L2 for that and that makes the problem. I even tried Linearity at %90 and nothing happened :(

[ostendorfjens 41]

You're welcome!

Yeah, these things are a bit iffy. You cannot imagine how long it took me to come up with a setup I was really content with. Like I said, it's a game of trial and error.

My personal setup, just in case you're wondering, is that I use the right analogue stick of my gamepad for steering and the left one for throttle and brakes. I've played this way for decades, when gamepads didn't even have analogue sticks - this is why I used two analogue joysticks back then. (That was back in the 90s - yes, I'm that old!) My personal settings are very simple: Deadzone at 0, Linearity at 50, Saturation at 0. And that goes for steering as well as throttle and brakes. Works for me, while other people might find it uncomfortable to play with.

[Lakrits 71]

3 hours ago, werquast said:

Thank you so much. When I use Right Stick for accelerating/braking, my problem is solved. But I want to use R2/L2 for that and that makes the problem. I even tried Linearity at %90 and nothing happened 😞

Well, that's just not possible since they're buttons with only on or off. Can't adjust linearity when there is no linearity to adjust. Your only choise is to use a stick for throttle and brake.

[werquast 0]

nmvnvm

Edited August 19 by werquast
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[werquast 0]

21 hours ago, Lakrits said:

Well, that's just not possible since they're buttons with only on or off. Can't adjust linearity when there is no linearity to adjust. Your only choise is to use a stick for throttle and brake.

Thanks for the answer. I was actually thinking the same thing.

If you can check the video below PJ Tierney also uses R2/L2 for accelerating/braking (you can see at 1:40) and also he has linearity (you can see at 7:45).

 

 

[Lakrits 71]

Well, I don't have an xbox controller so I really don't know what different buttons are capable of, Looked it up and it seems the LT and RT buttons are analog so then it's possible. I can't find any detailed specs for the controller you linked to though, only one page where it says it has 2 analog (and a word I have no idea what it means) and that would be the sticks, so I doubt the buttons you're using are analog. Since you only get a on or off state I bet they're not, or you don't have the correct drivers installed.

As far as it says on the page you linked to it's a PS3 controller as well.

Sorry, but to me it seems your controller just can't do what you want it to.

[ostendorfjens 41]

12 hours ago, Lakrits said:

Well, I don't have an xbox controller so I really don't know what different buttons are capable of, Looked it up and it seems the LT and RT buttons are analog so then it's possible. I can't find any detailed specs for the controller you linked to though, only one page where it says it has 2 analog (and a word I have no idea what it means) and that would be the sticks, so I doubt the buttons you're using are analog. Since you only get a on or off state I bet they're not, or you don't have the correct drivers installed.

As far as it says on the page you linked to it's a PS3 controller as well.

Sorry, but to me it seems your controller just can't do what you want it to. 

Oh, it does, @Lakrits, it can do everything you need, and then some.

To help you out a bit:

There are, in general, two kinds of inputs, digital and analogue. Digital is what buttons and keys have - they're either pressed or not pressed, either on or off. So digital means it's a binary switch. Analogue, on the other hand, means the values increase or decrease gradually, depending on how much you push or pull it. Think of your regular joystick, your steering wheel, your pedals, or your analogue sticks on your gamepad. Just for clarification.

Now, all modern gamepads have two analogue sticks plus a lot of extra buttons. Most of those are digital, but the two lower shoulder buttons on most gamepads are what is called a trigger, meaning it's yet another analogue control. Yes, those things are similar to joysticks or steering wheels, so they can very well be used as, for instance, throttle or brakes. As a matter of fact, most gamepads (I know this from the XBox controller, and it is my understanding that the Playstation controller is very similar) use those in exactly that fashion - right trigger accelerates, left trigger brakes. And since they're analogue, you can increase speed gradually and brake gradually, just like you want it to.

Of course, you need to set up your system properly, but there are tons of guides to be found on the internet that can help you there. Bottom line is, you want your steering, your throttle and brakes assigned to analogue controls, to analogue sticks or the aforementioned triggers, and everything else, like changes in viewpoint or setup changes (brake balance, DRS deployment, fuel mix setup) assigned to digital switches, i.e. the remaining buttons.

Hope that clarifies the matter.

[werquast 0]

15 minutes ago, ostendorfjens said:

Oh, it does, @Lakrits, it can do everything you need, and then some.

To help you out a bit:

There are, in general, two kinds of inputs, digital and analogue. Digital is what buttons and keys have - they're either pressed or not pressed, either on or off. So digital means it's a binary switch. Analogue, on the other hand, means the values increase or decrease gradually, depending on how much you push or pull it. Think of your regular joystick, your steering wheel, your pedals, or your analogue sticks on your gamepad. Just for clarification.

Now, all modern gamepads have two analogue sticks plus a lot of extra buttons. Most of those are digital, but the two lower shoulder buttons on most gamepads are what is called a trigger, meaning it's yet another analogue control. Yes, those things are similar to joysticks or steering wheels, so they can very well be used as, for instance, throttle or brakes. As a matter of fact, most gamepads (I know this from the XBox controller, and it is my understanding that the Playstation controller is very similar) use those in exactly that fashion - right trigger accelerates, left trigger brakes. And since they're analogue, you can increase speed gradually and brake gradually, just like you want it to.

Of course, you need to set up your system properly, but there are tons of guides to be found on the internet that can help you there. Bottom line is, you want your steering, your throttle and brakes assigned to analogue controls, to analogue sticks or the aforementioned triggers, and everything else, like changes in viewpoint or setup changes (brake balance, DRS deployment, fuel mix setup) assigned to digital switches, i.e. the remaining buttons.

Hope that clarifies the matter.

Incredible information, thank you so much. I just ordered a XBOX Controller thanks to your post!

[Lakrits 71]

21 minutes ago, ostendorfjens said:

Oh, it does, @Lakrits, it can do everything you need, and then some.

To help you out a bit:

There are, in general, two kinds of inputs, digital and analogue. Digital is what buttons and keys have - they're either pressed or not pressed, either on or off. So digital means it's a binary switch. Analogue, on the other hand, means the values increase or decrease gradually, depending on how much you push or pull it. Think of your regular joystick, your steering wheel, your pedals, or your analogue sticks on your gamepad. Just for clarification.

Now, all modern gamepads have two analogue sticks plus a lot of extra buttons. Most of those are digital, but the two lower shoulder buttons on most gamepads are what is called a trigger, meaning it's yet another analogue control. Yes, those things are similar to joysticks or steering wheels, so they can very well be used as, for instance, throttle or brakes. As a matter of fact, most gamepads (I know this from the XBox controller, and it is my understanding that the Playstation controller is very similar) use those in exactly that fashion - right trigger accelerates, left trigger brakes. And since they're analogue, you can increase speed gradually and brake gradually, just like you want it to.

Of course, you need to set up your system properly, but there are tons of guides to be found on the internet that can help you there. Bottom line is, you want your steering, your throttle and brakes assigned to analogue controls, to analogue sticks or the aforementioned triggers, and everything else, like changes in viewpoint or setup changes (brake balance, DRS deployment, fuel mix setup) assigned to digital switches, i.e. the remaining buttons.

Hope that clarifies the matter.

I wonder if you read what I wrote. I know this, I checked it out. What I concluded was that it seems like the controller he bought didn't have that function. Even though most modern controllers should have it doesn't mean everyone does.

[ostendorfjens 41]

@werquast You're welcome!

@Lakrits Sorry, my bad! After having read the sentence "and a word I have no idea what it means," I had assumed you wouldn't know about the underlying concepts and was therefore just trying to help you.

[Oznshn9 0]

Hello, I am using the same gamepad(Frisby FGB - 230U). All keys are working when I test the gamepad. f1 2020 does not detect the X and B keys in the game. How can I solve it. At the same time, the digital keys on the right and the joystic on the right do the same function. For this reason, I cannot accept anything because of the X key does not work in the game.