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So who's missing ?

loggyloggy, marcopoloman, Dannyboy, Aba, Ghost, the angelz guys, Comet70, BadBoyGTR . .  the mind gets fuzzy, lol
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Loggy said:
So who's missing ?

loggyloggy, marcopoloman, Dannyboy, Aba, Ghost, the angelz guys, Comet70, BadBoyGTR . .  the mind gets fuzzy, lol
~O)
Tis I :)
Hahahaha . .I just knew you wouldn't be too far under the radar, lol . .

cup of char ?
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So who's missing ?

loggyloggy, marcopoloman, Dannyboy, Aba, Ghost, the angelz guys, Comet70, BadBoyGTR . .  the mind gets fuzzy, lol
~O)
Getting the band back together for a reuinion tour? :)

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Loore said:
So who's missing ?

loggyloggy, marcopoloman, Dannyboy, Aba, Ghost, the angelz guys, Comet70, BadBoyGTR . .  the mind gets fuzzy, lol
~O)
Getting the band back together for a reuinion tour? :)
You mean them thar Texas rednecks didn't fry you over the barbie, lol . . . cup o' char ?
~O)

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If you want pit stops stick to F1. 

Grid never had pit stops, nor did it have tunable/moddable cars, this was what made it such a success, a simple game with identical cars for all players creating an even playing field, (aside from control methods used).

Once you start down the whole modding pit stops route then you enter Sim territory, Grid never claimed to be a sim, why does everyone want to push it in that direction.

On top of that you get a divide between those who know all you need to know about setting up cars and, those who don't have a clue what Camber is and how it benefits cornering at the expense of straight line acceleration.

Not everyone wants (or has the time) to spend hours practicing each track to attain the perfect settings for each track. This was Grids attraction for the masses and kept people playing it for years (many still do).

I said not long after Grid 2's launch the handling model would kill the game online. I wasn't strictly correct but considering that the still unfinished, Assetto Corsa has been beating Grid 2 for player numbers since online MP went live it probably won't be long before it does die a digital death.

Yes Assetto is a sim, I play it myself, and yes I DO enjoy and know how to setup the cars to my taste, yet I played Grid for 1000's of hours just because it wasn't a sim, yet it still created a good imitation of motorsports and the intensity involved in close quater racing.

If I wanted a more sim like experience I could turn the assists off or join an Assists off session. Still in standardised cars so no one has an immediate advantage. This was the essence of Grids success, simplicity and an even playing field.
If you don't like pit stops, how about simply not doing them or having races that don't require them. I'm sure in this day and age that can be arraigned. I'm not talking about SIM vs. Arcade (whatever that means) here...I'm taking about basic racing. You till didn't answer my question -- what racing series, besides WRC, does not allow a car to pit? I understand you have your preferences, but it's presumptuous to push yours off on the rest of us, especially when no race in the world is like what you describe as your enjoyment level -- wham, bam, thank you M'am. So fine. Go be a five lap wonder. Just don't force me to be one too.

And anybody who has been at this as long as I'm sure you have knows that assists and "tuning" can almost always be set to default or some requirement if you want everyone to just dumb down and drive.
Hold on there Dobbin....

1) I posted a reply to YOUR demand for pits tops NOT about Motorsports in general.

2) I clearly stated they were NOT part of Grid 1 and THIS was part of the games appeal, it's simplicity and an even playing field.

3) What gives you the right to push YOUR opinion while ignoring the opinions of MANY of the original games fans who DO NOT want pit stops in the game?

4) Who the hell cares which motor sports don't have pit stops in the real world?

5) In your post you never asked a question for me or anyone else to answer!

Magic Genie. Three wishes please. 

1) Pit Stops
2) Pit Stops options that are relevant to car class
3) Penalty system

I know it's late in the game, but this should have been a no brainer. Racing cannot exist in real life without these, save possibly #2, except even damaged cars can come in for repair in any series.
I rest my case, THINK before you launch a stupid attack on someone expressing a contrary opinion to yours, backed up by a reasonable list of counterpoints that by adding pit stops and car tuning, the game IS heading into sim territory which was NOTHING to do with Grid 1.
I. too, was wondering what this ill-informed and garbled rubbish was about. Thought, here we go, someone off on a completely ridiculous tangent, we are talking about GRID games.

OctoberDusk06 - where your post goes drastically wrong is in criticizing the "5 lap wonder" . . .back in the day the "nightly 5 lapper" defined, for so many, what Grid 1 was all about, so either you weren't there or were asleep . . . and if you were there perhaps you could explain to us what did it for you ? . .it sure as hell wasn't any pit stops, because there weren't any.

Saying what you said, and then being confused about the difference between Sim and Arcade could have us thinking we have a flamer onboard ?


Maybe calling someone a flamer is veering into that same territory yourself? I'm expressing my opinion and if you happen to not agree with it or think it is "ill-informed" (unlike yours, of course), then I cannot and will not argue with your conclusory statements. However, if you would like to talk about a particular topic, they do have names up top. This one is called "What do you want to see from GRID?"

Not I'm no veteran race gamer (I was actually racing in my youth), but I do know a thing or two about what constitutes what these software developers are trying to recreate. No, I didn't play GRID 1. But as far as I can tell, the topic did not come with the caveat of "....except your opinion must stay in the confines of some ill-defined 'GRID' feel." Let's face it...GRID 2 was a disaster and the Codies are trying to get (if not too late) some input on what people want in a racing game, NOT what people want in a "we-must-not-take-a-step-toward-sim" racing game, as Mr. "I rest my case" suggests. In fact, the very reason this game (Autosport) is coming out and coming out in the manner in which it is is precisely BECAUSE the Codies are marching more toward SIM. Yet, they still do things that are hard to figure out logically...like publish a video of Touring Car classes in which a real driver says something to the effect of "you have to be aware of whats going on around you and who's coming up on you at all times...." and then we come to find out the mirrors don't work. Or is that too SIMish for you? I hate those silly words anyway. The idea is to try and recreate what goes on in a race to the best of your ability (with some personal corporate variations of course).

The fact that the whole essence of this game revolves around being MORE like real racing (erm...SIM?) hangs you and Rastus' presumptive arguments by their own petards.

Which gets me back to my point...if you don't like pit stops then why not just not take them off or race short races? Why so keen to impose your perception (which is obviously not the direction the actual game is headed) on the rest of us. I have no doubt that if we took a simple poll that asked "Would you like the ability to pit and perhaps change tires (or is tire wear too SIM for GRID?), then the overwhelming answer would be "yes."  Do you guys really want to create the "GRID never had _____" thread? Because there would be a list a mile long of things in A/S that GRID 'never" had.

Jack, I really like reading your posts. You are a thoughtful guy. However, you can be just s preachy as the rest of us. When this game was announced, you got up on your soapbox and shouted it down with the rest of the doubters. I have never done that. In fact, I've pre-ordered it. It's not like there are many options out there left for the 360. But that aside...you came off your soapbox and now seem to be a defender of some sort of conception of "GRID" which simply does not exist. I'm admittedly no GRID expert, but if you took all of the features of all of the series from TOCA to now, how many are "new" or "introduced"? The game is constantly evolving...sometimes in the wrong direction. Why have tire wear if you can't replace your tires during a race? Isn't that like saying "okay, here is how much fuel you have, now drive slow or else you will lose."??? Where is the logic in that. Fine if you want to be a five lap wonder, but us gamers who race more against humans and for longer distances, and who seek realism over fantasy also have the right to express our opinion.


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Again you miss the point we were making and throw your rattle out the pram.

Grid was such a success for it's simplicity, no tuning, standard cars, clearly defined classes of closely competitive cars giving an even playing field.

You just don't seem interested in the history of the Grid series so how can you make any meaningful judgement on what Gridders actually want from the series if you never even played the original?

Grid 1 beat off Fifa of the day to win a Bafta for the best sports game of the year it launched, this year Fifa won it not Grid 2, that says a lot more than the inflated ego of someone ranting because our opinion differs from yours.

Have you looked through most of the threads and comments? General opinion is that Pit stops and tuning detract from the gameplay by giving players with some understanding a MASSIVE advantage over those with none, thereby unbalancing the ENTIRE MP experience and dividing the games community into splintered groups.

This is exactly what happened with Grid 2's DLC, it fractured the MP player base into haves and have nots, in this case the haves with DLC tracks could barely use them online therefore another fracture in the community and a waste of people's money to buy.

Not the case with Grid 1 all you had was assists on/off, forced manual gears and forced cockpit cam. 3 divisions as opposed to more and more as you add more and more features. like tuning and pit stops.

As for CM "marching more towards sim" you're sadly mistaken. CM don't want to make Grid into a sim and have already stated as much in other threads in the forum.

This is what we have been trying to get across but you just ain't interested, you just want to go around dissing others for no reason and starting to get vaguely abusive when someone counters you with a sensible comment.

We gave CM SUCH a hard time they actually listened, appologised, ate a massive slice of humble pie and GAS is the response, Yes I'm not that enthralled by the tuning elements even though I DO know how to set up race cars. But I'm not gonna argue with the way it is as the game is based on the feedback given all of us who gave their input to the online survey.

I'm also not so stupid as you think, I know I can pick and choose the type of races I enter. As I and others have TRIED to point out but you ignore is the dividing up of the online racers into more and more small, specialised groups, this is what's causing G2's dismal performance in the steam charts.

Grid 1 servers have been off for several years and STILL there are almost as many playing it as there are in Grid 2, THAT should say it all but "there are none so blind as those that will not see" or flat out refuse to....

The whole pit stop question is moot anyway, they aren't part of the game so say what you like, abuse/flame whoever you will, rant at those of a differing viewpoint, who ends up looking like an overly aggressive muppet?

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Do you not get what a toggle switch is, Mr. Rastus? If you don't want to pit, then set up a game without pits. If you want stock tunes, then make all players run them. Or is that too complicated for you and what your so called band of "Gridders" lol. really want?

It's called "choice" -- like turning off the T.V. if it offends you. Sort of like I'm going to do now.

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ROFL no point wasting effort trying to explain our reasoning as you blithely gloss over all the salient points or flat or ignore them altogether.

I've already addressed your broken record regarding "You can always select servers without pit stops" with the dividing up of the online players which has been a major cause of the demise of Grid 2 online.

Where's your counter to that MASSIVE point? Non existent.

Instead once again you target the individual NOT the points raised. nuff said..... no more to add. not getting dragged into a slanging match with someone behaving like a typical troll and failing to address ANY of the points we raised.

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OctoberDusk06 expressed his opinions and preferences, with some quite interesting points to back them up. 

I find tuning (especially the GRID 2 style) way more damaging to online fun and balance, then having the ability to pit stop for repair in a 40min endurance race.

Being myself a former happy 3 lap wonder, I don't personally see this feature as a must-have (have I mentionned text-chat already?), but I see no point in the petty arguing & flaming above.

Or is it because we struggle to even get basic features back into the game (and some out of it) that opinions on new features get rejected so harshly?

Makes me wonder.

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muckymu said:

Or is it because we struggle to even get basic features back into the game that opinions on new features get rejected so harshly?

Mostly, it's because people on the internet like to complain.

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hey, the internet has nothing to do with it....these complainers are everywhere!

but im not complaining about your statement of omission, im just saying this is how ive found folk.

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Purple44 said:
Loore said:
So who's missing ?

loggyloggy, marcopoloman, Dannyboy, Aba, Ghost, the angelz guys, Comet70, BadBoyGTR . .  the mind gets fuzzy, lol
~O)
Getting the band back together for a reuinion tour? :)
Ya if we get text chat online.  :-bd

Some the old band mates in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1665__K3tg

Howdy Frank and The Frank. :)
Good choice, Purp, I believe we are getting Jarama in GAS . .
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Do you not get what a toggle switch is, Mr. Rastus? If you don't want to pit, then set up a game without pits. If you want stock tunes, then make all players run them. Or is that too complicated for you and what your so called band of "Gridders" lol. really want?

It's called "choice" -- like turning off the T.V. if it offends you. Sort of like I'm going to do now.
Like I said, "Flaming" . . . thanks for proving the point, and I'd add "trolling" to that.

The so-called band of "gridders" exists, has done so for 6 years, being a smartass seems to be your way so good luck to you.

I'm not going to itemize and respond to all of your points because they come with no grounding in what we are about here and could be plopped into any forum.

Had you done your research, and the info gained could slip past your arrogance and actually register in what passes as your brain, you would understand that everything in a game takes space and time to test, something Loore has pointed out on more than one occasion.

Had you done your research you would know that what passes as "sim" in a CM game can be found in the Dirt series, so all your prattle is completely irrelevant and serves only the need you suddenly felt to assert your ego as in, "I race real cars therefore I'm the one in the know and you lot should listen only to me" . . . which is what you are saying once your cover story is removed.

"Jack, I really like reading your posts. You are a thoughtful guy. However, you can be just s preachy as the rest of us."

Hahaha . . you really need to tighten up your act, patronizing me ?
When I was in senior management and someone came along to me saying, "with respect . . ." I'd stop them there, telling them "with respect . ." is invariably an excuse to follow with an insult . . .and suggest they come back after deciding how they would rephrase their comment.
All you have done with the above comment is leave out the, "with respect . . ." bit.

I have no desire nor need to say anything more, Rastus is saying all I would . . .

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muckymu said:

OctoberDusk06 expressed his opinions and preferences, with some quite interesting points to back them up. 

I find tuning (especially the GRID 2 style) way more damaging to online fun and balance, then having the ability to pit stop for repair in a 40min endurance race.

Being myself a former happy 3 lap wonder, I don't personally see this feature as a must-have (have I mentionned text-chat already?), but I see no point in the petty arguing & flaming above.

Or is it because we struggle to even get basic features back into the game (and some out of it) that opinions on new features get rejected so harshly?

Makes me wonder.

It's all about not clouding the issues.

The reason I have gone with just the driving physics, and all else can follow if and when, is all about avoiding yet ANOTHER CM FORUM getting bogged down in. "I want this, I want that, I want t'other". . .and there is a very good reason for not having 40min races in Grid, people don't buy Grid for 40min races, so all that game space is wasted.

We have had the lists after lists after lists . . . so we don't need some troll getting his jollies off by stirring the pot. . .he's not a "gridder", he's some guy who wandered in off the street because he has nothing better to do . . . he doesn't give a hoot about what goes on here, if he did he'd have more humility and respect towards all who have faithfully followed and supported CM and their racing games.

When someone wanders into an alien [to them] forum and starts shooting off their mouth we all know what we have . .a troll.

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The thread is almost 30 pages, please don't make me lock what's been a relatively good discussion. Just a heads up but do keep it clean please gents :)

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Loore said:
The thread is almost 30 pages, please don't make me lock what's been a relatively good discussion. Just a heads up but do keep it clean please gents :)
Keeping it clean is exactly what the majority have made an effort to achieve. If people feel an overwhelming need to bring out their unsociable side, Tweet, Facebook, instagram, are 3 popular std's for so doing.

If we go purely with the title of the thread: Spectate mode, streaming text chat, clear cockpit and mirrors . . . in a patch will do, lol . .

But seriously, good buddy, what can you tell us about the state of play with these requests ? . .surely CM have taken them seriously enough to have had a "conversation" ?

More tea, Vicar ?
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You'r defending the territory as if we'll get anything from it cap'
I hope you'll be proven right....

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I think he's defending the BoG.  He and Rastus do it so well and with such vigor that the rest of us can just sit back.  Thanks guys.

On another note, wouldn't it be "race over" for anyone who pits in a 40 minute race?  DNF avoided, I guess.

Frank

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If we go purely with the title of the thread: Spectate mode, streaming text chat, clear cockpit and mirrors . . . in a patch will do, 
Thta's all I meant. What are we gonna get from that?

The 40min endurance race I think is now forgotten and I'm happy for the argument to be buried. All in peace obviously.

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If we go purely with the title of the thread: Spectate mode, streaming text chat, clear cockpit and mirrors . . . in a patch will do, 
Thta's all I meant. What are we gonna get from that?

The 40min endurance race I think is now forgotten and I'm happy for the argument to be buried. All in peace obviously.
I think we all want the same thing, we just have different ways of trying to get it and for my part it makes more sense to sit down at the table and talk rather than continually throwing rocks at the window.

Loore is our first and best connection so we need to exploit this asset. He has put his credibility on the line so it is only fair for us to give him the benefit of the doubt and our "conversation" with him is worth the most when it comes to having our requests realized.

Back in Grid 1 we went around and around the maypole with the endurance race, ending with no-one having any idea how it would work to get the majority involved. In the midnight club I ran we tried 25 and 30 lappers but the majority dropped out with just me and Nomad going the distance.

So far we have concentrated effort for touring cars, we have correct driving physics, we have TT to get that much needed practice of the tracks and competitions between our friends, we have improved drift, and we have cockpit (of sorts).
This can get us going.
What we would now like is; spectate, streaming chat, clearly defined cockpit and mirrors.
After that can come the nitty gritty bits mentioned like coutdown timers etc.

Amongst all of this I'm assuming we will get lap times and lap leaderboards like in Grid 1, if not, they have to be added to the priority list. . . we need clearly defined personal lap times at the end of each race, just like in Grid 1, and not on the screen for a split second like in Grid 2.
Quite often the one who made the fastest lap isn't the winner and knowing your time means you can work out where it went wrong and so correct it.

We all know that there will be a backlash once the game is out and we see exactly what is missing . . .because, for sure, the game is likely to be a bit too bare bones for some. . . anyone like a biscuit with their tea ?
~O)

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No thanks but, I'll have some cake if any is going.

I dunno but I think we're in for a surprise. Yes you can't get a feel for a game from vids alone.

Like yourself Cap I'm of the opinion that there's been enough whining and complaining, time to move on and let go of the past disasters (Showdown and Grid 2) focus on the future and what's being said NOW.

What's been encouraging for me has been the reviews by people who have had hands on with GAS and also it's predecessors, that way at least we have a direct comparison between them.

As you said in other posts, the apology for the direction G2 took, the huge slice of humble pie that Loore and Co. have had to swallow had me convinced a while ago that there is a big chance we will get what we want this time, a true successor to one of the best racing games I've ever played over 20 plus years of gaming.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic here but we gotta start somewhere........

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But how can Codemasters forget a key feature like text chat for online 2 times in a row ( GRID 2 and now GRID Autosport )?  ~X(

Why is text chat not an important online feature in Codemasters eyes any more? Has concentrating on making racing games for the consoles has blur Codies vision to what need to be done for online PC gamers?

We are almost out of time to have text chat added to GRID Autosport before it goes Gold here soon.

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Purple44 said:
But how can Codemasters forget a key feature like text chat for online 2 times in a row ( GRID 2 and now GRID Autosport )?  ~X(

Why is text chat not an important online feature in Codemasters eyes any more? Has concentrating on making racing games for the consoles has blur Codies vision to what need to be done for online PC gamers?

We are almost out of time to have text chat added to GRID Autosport before it goes Gold here soon.

You are not alone on this one, Purp, we all ask this question, have not given up on it, and will not give up on it . . . but the new journey starts with the first step, and that is what we are getting in GAS . . . if it turns out to be a misstep it will be interesting to see where CM go from there ?

Sticky bun, then, Rastus ?
~O)

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