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If you don't play Pro Season, then I'm not surprised you don't praise F1 2015

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After reading every typical 'CM-bashing' comment around the Web, I just wish to offer a full defence for F1 2015.

Even though you may like splitscreen, classic cars, career mode or safety cars, you're not even playing the game Codies have been developing for the past two years if you're not playing Pro Season.

If you think that doing sh#tty 25% races with a driving line is all the gameplay content in F1 2015, then you are mistaken.

The point remains that F1 2015 is fundamentally about Pro Season,

-Where you're spending those 4 hours worth of practice sessions to really nail in your setup because the setup system has changed for the first time in the series' history (recall how compatible setups were between games previously?) in an attempt to beat the Mercedes'. I for one am greatly enjoying deciphering the 'ins-and-outs' of the new system with the differential and ballast - using up your allotted tyres for each practice session before the FIA takes them away etc.

-Where you're having a wild ride for 90 or so minutes, on the greatest difficulty without driver aids - testing the skills you've gained from the previous games.

-Where you're learning skills that the F1 series hasn't had before; using your mirrors because you're in cockpit view, or talking to your engineer in a team trusting relationship because you have no HUD. It's thrilling stuff when you have to confide in your engineer to be your brains as you don't have all the numbers at your disposal.

I urge everyone to try Pro Season if you've been avoiding it, as then, you'll be singing a different song about the game in general. I'm enjoying F1 2015 more than I've been enjoying Project CARS, because F1 2015 is far more immersive in its 'broadcast' presentation, F1 licence, and detail in what makes F1 micro-management thrilling.

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I couldn't care less for the 'lack of game modes' nor 'lack of safety car' nor whatnot, I care about being able to control the game which, in its current state, I am not.

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Ok, so just to punch a big hole in this argument. You are hereby assuming that every person who purchases this game has days on end to spare to complete full race distances and practice session etc. 

I think you'll find people such as myself and my friends, play this game for short simulations of races, to pretend we are f1 drivers, or to have a bit of fun racing together, as we all enjoy f1. This game ticks none of those boxes.

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Paturata said:
I couldn't care less for the 'lack of game modes' nor 'lack of safety car' nor whatnot, I care about being able to control the game which, in its current state, I am not.
You're going to have a make a more intelligible comment if I am to rebut you.

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First to play the "PRO Season" mode you need the game to work. At its current state - it does not work properly to even have a "reasonable" experience.

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Problem I have with pro mode is my assists are all on full (but greyed out saying they are off). Even with doing the new game save trick.
Also cant hear what the engineer is saying so its really hard to know whats happening on track and with your car etc.
Pro season is an excellent idea and I for one cant wait until I can play it! I am playing the regular championship mode as though it were pro mode like I always do in racing sims/game. in cockpit, no dash, no assists etc.
All the bugs are still present no matter what game mode you play. (PC user)

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I absolutely agree with you 100% about the practice and settings etc , and I'm doing most of those things, like 100% race, practice, qualifying etc as I want the full f1 experience too.
I have everything manual and no assists, no driving line etc. The only thing that I'm not on YET is Legend AI, and it's only cuz I'm not afraid to admit that it's difficult on hard for me sometimes, however the plan is to move up the difficulty but with that said I'm still seeing bugs mate, still seeing glitches with AI and freeze frame etc
i agree it's crap if your only doing like 5 laps etc, but as an avid F1 fan I have seen and experienced things that should have been ironed out for this version.   It's all well and good talking to your engineer to find things out, I wanted that... But it's not the same when 1) the voice recognition doesn't work very well and 2) The engineer is so quiet you can't hear him. (Unless your having coming it come out of the ps4 pad with earphones)  (PS4)

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bigfguy said:
Ok, so just to punch a big hole in this argument. You are hereby assuming that every person who purchases this game has days on end to spare to complete full race distances and practice session etc. 

I think you'll find people such as myself and my friends, play this game for short simulations of races, to pretend we are f1 drivers, or to have a bit of fun racing together, as we all enjoy f1. This game ticks none of those boxes.
Ok, I'll take your point into account: all purchasers has varying time to play video games.

My response is that this is just tough luck for those who do not have the time, as you'll never truly be playing 'F1 2015'; you'll be playing an updated version of 'F1 2013'. Why would you purchase the game if the only content you wanted was what you already had?

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new account crush? im sure you will make lots of friends here. yeah this is what we need, someone telling us how we should play games. funny how most of the bugs and glitches have nothing to do with doing short races but keep up your good work sis :)

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new account crush? im sure you will make lots of friends here. yeah this is what we need, someone telling us how we should play games. funny how most of the bugs and glitches have nothing to do with doing short races but keep up your good work sis :)

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Slim1664 said:
Problem I have with pro mode is my assists are all on full (but greyed out saying they are off). Even with doing the new game save trick.
Also cant hear what the engineer is saying so its really hard to know whats happening on track and with your car etc.
Pro season is an excellent idea and I for one cant wait until I can play it! I am playing the regular championship mode as though it were pro mode like I always do in racing sims/game. in cockpit, no dash, no assists etc.
All the bugs are still present no matter what game mode you play. (PC user)
As a PlayStation 4 player, I cannot comment on the PC experience. You have my commiserations concerning game-breaking glitches.

As for the engineer volume, I also had difficulties with that. Even when I whacked 'speech volume' on 100%, and every other volume on 50%, it was still hard to hear what he says. My first conviction was that that is how it's meant to be; I don't think F1 drivers can understand every word the engineer tells them either. So I reached a healthy compromise in my mind.

Afterwards, I realised that the engineer speech is meant to come out of the DualShock4, so now I have one wired to the PS4 just to speak to the engineer.

I also experienced many additional bugs on PS4. In the garage, under circumstances I cannot replicate, any driver I viewed on the screen would receive a puncture on their left front immediately. The framerate in the first sector of Sepang is atrocious. My engineer wouldn't stop telling me that the team could alter my front wing downforce, even after I did so, and tried many things to shut him up, so I had to spend the rest of that race without an engineer (in Pro Season!!) as even 'Critical' engineer speech wouldn't shut him up. I had other minor issues as well.

It wouldn't be an F1 game from Codemasters if these things didn't happen. I think veteran players are used to it now. I do not mind these things, even if they are never patched. I put up with it. Players who take these glitches personally, I won't say you are wrong, but to just take it easy. Some things in life are not that bad.
DarthJW said:
I absolutely agree with you 100% about the practice and settings etc , and I'm doing most of those things, like 100% race, practice, qualifying etc as I want the full f1 experience too.
I have everything manual and no assists, no driving line etc. The only thing that I'm not on YET is Legend AI, and it's only cuz I'm not afraid to admit that it's difficult on hard for me sometimes, however the plan is to move up the difficulty but with that said I'm still seeing bugs mate, still seeing glitches with AI and freeze frame etc
i agree it's crap if your only doing like 5 laps etc, but as an avid F1 fan I have seen and experienced things that should have been ironed out for this version.   It's all well and good talking to your engineer to find things out, I wanted that... But it's not the same when 1) the voice recognition doesn't work very well and 2) The engineer is so quiet you can't hear him. (Unless your having coming it come out of the ps4 pad with earphones)  (PS4)

Good on you for wanting the complete experience! You and I both know that the game is about the immersion of F1, as opposed to strictly a high speed racing title. Keep pushing to improve to Legend AI if that's what you're doing, because the enjoyment crescendos when you reach that level!

Commenting on glitches, I recommend you read above my response to Slim1664.

My voice recognition works incredibly well - what's the difficulties with yours? Using the free single ear-piece plugged into the jack on a DS4, I was surprised just how response it is. Keep in mind that it's a real targeted voice recognition, ie. there are only select options available (around 6 usually) to ask the engineer about, so it's not like the voice recognition in Siri for example. So just make sure the words are individualised to an option, and it's a brilliant feature that raises the immersion even more.

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All in all, I'm glad that so far noone has come here whinging about the game features itself, and moreover the issues are gripes that I completely agree with. Codemasters have a reputation for glitches that they need to uphold after all. I expected nothing less, hence I am surprised just how good Pro Season is.

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new account crush? im sure you will make lots of friends here. yeah this is what we need, someone telling us how we should play games. funny how most of the bugs and glitches have nothing to do with doing short races but keep up your good work sis :)

Actually, I believe I've had this account since GRID2 came out, as I used it for RaceNET or something. Have you played Pro Season yet? Get back to me once you have.

And finally, your authority as a commenter immediately deteriorates when you don't use capital letters and misquote my name.

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I gave the mode a try and guess what? All driving-assists were activated even if the Option says "off".

Sounds very "PRO" to me...

Sorry to tell you, but the game is a joke. It's more like a very expensive demo with the lack of Features.


By the way, every racing game has a "promode". Just turn off the Assists, max the difficulty and drive from Cockpitview. There you go...

It's no NEW mode, it's just the Championshipmode where you are forced to go without assists...wow, great game.

As I said, a very expensive DEMO!

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The reason I don't praise F1 2015 is because it's an unplayable mess. I'm sure pro season would be fun if it weren't for the fact all the assists are locked ON when I try to play it, and in any case the game has a 90% deadzone on my Fanatec pedals which makes braking and accelerating essentially on/off since there's only a tiny amount of functional travel which is impossible to modulate properly.

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yeah sorry my lil packet of crunchy nut cornflakes :) can you explain how I've to play that too? most of us on here don't know how to play games and you must be the grand master what with all your knowledge and experience.

YeAh CaPiTaL LeTtErS ArE wHaT mAtTeRs HeRe


na but seriously who the hell are you to tell us how we should and should not play games? really you are not that important just another statistic. like driftwood, dead weight that needs cut loose, a stone in a shoe, leaf on the track etc etc etc

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The difficulty with the voice only coming into the ps4 pad is that you have to be in a reasonably quiet environment for it to work at the best of times.
if you have noise in the room or you have your TV up so you can hear the actual game sound then it affects the voice recognition.  I know it's not like Siri, I know you have to say exactly what's on screen etc, it would be just better the voice volume overall was louder.  
For example, after tinkering, I'm currently using my surround sound system, with an earphone lead connected to my DS4 (it's actually a pair of Samsung Galaxy headphones that work no problem in voice chats etc.)  and on and off yes the voice thing does work, and I can hear the response either through the earphones or the TV.  Using the surround seems to separate it a little better.  However this all goes out the window if you wanted to do this late at night for example or when only using the TV or having All the sound coming through your headset, that's where you get problems, it's all mixed and you can't hear him which is why it needs some sort of Tweaking for people who are playing it with the standard TV setup etc.. See? 

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sodayi said:

I gave the mode a try and guess what? All driving-assists were activated even if the Option says "off".

Sounds very "PRO" to me...

Sorry to tell you, but the game is a joke. It's more like a very expensive demo with the lack of Features.


By the way, every racing game has a "promode". Just turn off the Assists, max the difficulty and drive from Cockpitview. There you go...

It's no NEW mode, it's just the Championshipmode where you are forced to go without assists...wow, great game.

As I said, a very expensive DEMO!

As I said previously, I'm sorry about the PC version's problems. The fact that all assists are on sucks, but I have no doubt that it'll patched, so it's all good.

And of course every game has a 'pro-mode', however this Pro Season is deliberately placed by Codemasters because they KNOW that their game is light on prominent features that critics and casuals would notice. Surely, you've been playing the previous games and recognise the new features that F1 2015 brings? The racing has been upgraded dramatically. Pro Season is deliberately on the main menu because they know that that's where the game shines in its immersion, so they want to highlight said aspect. All the casual players of the world don't push the boundaries enough to find the real meat of the game, and that meat is exactly what the game is with this installment. I have no doubt that next year's game will bring more features. F1 2015 is great in what it has.

Finally, to call the game an 'expensive demo' is being disingenuous. How many demos do you know that come with two fully licenced grids and tracks? With complete racing features, except one (the Safety car)? It's a fully fledged next-gen F1 game. It's brilliant.

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I also want to stress that I don't come here to lecture forum members who post already; I wanted to make a forum thread where I can link people from other websites to my views on the game.

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sodayi said:

I gave the mode a try and guess what? All driving-assists were activated even if the Option says "off".

Sounds very "PRO" to me...

Sorry to tell you, but the game is a joke. It's more like a very expensive demo with the lack of Features.


By the way, every racing game has a "promode". Just turn off the Assists, max the difficulty and drive from Cockpitview. There you go...

It's no NEW mode, it's just the Championshipmode where you are forced to go without assists...wow, great game.

As I said, a very expensive DEMO!

Turning everything off and driving from cockpit, pro mode .... He does have a valid point there, it's not really new mode is it?
you can essentially do custom settings and put all those pro mode options off and it is just like pro mode... Nothing is different.


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I completely agree.

Yet, 0.1% of PlayStation players have actually played Pro Season mode.

And that statistic is not pulled out my arse; it's the trophy statistic for a single race completed in Pro Season mode.

Less than 1 in 1000 players! Who knows whether it's 1 in 10,000 players? (The statistic will always so 0.1 even if one sole person has it.)

My point is that many players don't actually realise how immersive and brilliant the game can be. They don't take the plunge.

So what I mean, is that everyone is too quick to criticise CM when the game is feature -light, and I don't think that's fair. I'm enjoying it more than Project CARS currently.

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yeah sorry my lil packet of crunchy nut cornflakes :) can you explain how I've to play that too? most of us on here don't know how to play games and you must be the grand master what with all your knowledge and experience.

YeAh CaPiTaL LeTtErS ArE wHaT mAtTeRs HeRe


na but seriously who the hell are you to tell us how we should and should not play games? really you are not that important just another statistic. like driftwood, dead weight that needs cut loose, a stone in a shoe, leaf on the track etc etc etc

I agree with you. I'm just giving my opinion.

All readers have the right to read my opinions, and disagree with them - take them, or leave them.

My purpose is to put out a discussion point thought: you can't play Pro Season and still be bitter and twisted with CM about the features.

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I'm not interested in pro mode or any single player modes, all I want to do is race around the track with a buddy in co-op mode but that mode isn't available. Yeah we can just create a custom game in multiplayer but it seems there is no way to change the AI settings and obviously there will be no points either because we do 100% races, practice sessions and qualifying. its not possible for us to do this all at once there for we need to be able to save the game and come back to it later. So unless I start recording all of the points in excel or something this years game has been a complete waste of time and money.

It seems you can't change the qualifying to full either only short or 1 shot (so much for being realistic). I have had a quick try in time mode and the damage model is rubbish also I crashed into a wall on purpose and bounced off it and just carried off it and kept on going. The game modes currently available seem more like something you would expect from a mario cart game.

Very disappointed with this game so far.

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I'm enjoying it more than project cars too and I praised that game to shit when it came out even though it also got bashed on.  It's a shame that they announced the sequel and haven't even fixed the original PCars yet, although yes they have patched it a few times.  If you could take the sim like aspect of PCars and merge it with the official f1 tracks and drivers you'd have a pretty good game.

side note, I'm about to start 12th in China lol in the wet  :smiley:  
A lot of people have already bashed the F12015 features,like career (which is essentially still the same as the last game albeit you dont see YOUR name)
my beef has just been with some of the technical glitches in the game that maybe should of been fixed or at least should be patched up if they bother.

I wish they would put in a proper co op season in future versions so you can play either in separate teams or as team mates over a whole season.

And I also think it winds people up when companies ignore questions etc about glitches in new games.
some companies setup an official bug thread, the devs look at it, they respond to it, and patches get released.
unfortunatly CM appear to do the opposite,  they don't wanna hear the bad things, they don't want to reply in forums and they don't respond on Twitter etc or through support, it just gets ignored and that's what makes people mad over it. 
i bet a lot of the people moaning about CM are just like you and I, they love F1 and wanted this game to be The One so to speak, but it's dissapointing when you come across issues that really should not be there or missing within reason. 



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R4IDER said:
I'm not interested in pro mode or any single player modes, all I want to do is race around the track with a buddy in co-op mode but that mode isn't available. Yeah we can just create a custom game in multiplayer but it seems there is no way to change the AI settings and obviously there will be no points either because we do 100% races, practice sessions and qualifying. its not possible for us to do this all at once there for we need to be able to save the game and come back to it later. So unless I start recording all of the points in excel or something this years game has been a complete waste of time and money.

It seems you can't change the qualifying to full either only short or 1 shot (so much for being realistic). I have had a quick try in time mode and the damage model is rubbish also I crashed into a wall on purpose and bounced off it and just carried off it and kept on going. The game modes currently available seem more like something you would expect from a mario cart game.

Very disappointed with this game so far.
With respect, you should investigate the game features before purchasing if you 'only want to play the game in co-op mode'. A Googling will show it doesn't have it. Why would you purchase the game? F1 2013 to the best of my memory had a fully functioning co-op mode. That's where you'll do it.

Also from memory, previous Time Trial modes had damage turned off. I haven't even touched Time Trial yet, so I wouldn't know if that is the case, but I would assume it is.

So all in all, it sounds like you made a bad purchase and should research your games better. I researched F1 2014 and knew I didn't want it - so I skipped it. I think you could equally have done the same for this installment.

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DarthJW said:
I'm enjoying it more than project cars too and I praised that game to shit when it came out even though it also got bashed on.  It's a shame that they announced the sequel and haven't even fixed the original PCars yet, although yes they have patched it a few times.  If you could take the sim like aspect of PCars and merge it with the official f1 tracks and drivers you'd have a pretty good game.

side note, I'm about to start 12th in China lol in the wet  :smiley:  
A lot of people have already bashed the F12015 features,like career (which is essentially still the same as the last game albeit you dont see YOUR name)
my beef has just been with some of the technical glitches in the game that maybe should of been fixed or at least should be patched up if they bother.

I wish they would put in a proper co op season in future versions so you can play either in separate teams or as team mates over a whole season.




I really like what you're saying, Darth. I agree 100%; I also praised Project CARS, and I'll still be going back to it once my fix of F1 has been rectified. Project CARS is what the Codemasters ToCA / DTM / V8 Supercars series should be on this generation.

I had a small kick from just racing in Bahrain in the night configuration versus F1 2013 daytime. I think just taking the small joys are what F1 is all about.

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Can I just point out that technically pro season has been available since 2010? Turn the AI up to max, go to cockpit cam and turn off the HUD lol... Codies are trying to make this seem like a new feature when in fact we've had this option for 5 years...

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