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OK, DLC has a bad reputation. But expansion packs never used to back in the day. DLC's poor reputation has come about as a result of seeing things purposely cut from release in order to be sold later, often key parts of the game. But DiRT Rally isn't doing that - we already have a lot of great cars and more superb stages are coming in Early Access but haven't been finished yet. But at some point, there will be no more. So I'd like to know if you'd be in support of ongoing DLC content being made available in 2016. Maybe it's during the time a console port is taking place, maybe it's specifically as an addon to the game we already have. I'm going to be general, as I know some people have preference to one type or another, so bear with me and feel free to comment below. Thanks

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A lot depends on what cars are added in the Modern Masters pack. I would still like a Mk I Escort.

At this stage though I'm primarily interested in more rallies and stages.

Subject to pricing of course and to an extent whether things are sold in packs. Packs can be hit and miss depending on the content. The more things that are included in a pack that I'm not interested in, the less likely I would be to buy it. This is tied into pricing, as price generally goes up with more content in a pack. Fussy, I know.

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Seriously, if there is one game that deserves my money thrown at it it's this one. I'll gladly pay, esp for more locations and stages, but also cars.

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I suppose my answer to this depends on how much and how good the content is when the game is deemed finished. I personally would rather wait until Early Access is over (which might happen, or not, in November of this year) and then evaluate what we've got. I just don't want to see content withheld from us if it is already ready to be added to the game during EA.

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Seeing as the game probably will be released early 2016(?) and the game as of that time will be a bit barren then DLC is almost a must. Going to vote for tracks only as this is what's needed the most. But more cars would be a nice addition too.

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Could do DLC like Forza 5. Forza shipped with very few tracks, so they added 2 or 3 for free, and the cars were paid in packs or individuals, and each pack had a free car. You could also buy the season pass for $30 I believe? and that included 6 packs of 5-6 cars.

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DLC for racing games can work as long as it doesn't become pay too win, isn't at the detriment of the game/community and/or isn't made during the original development process and is then held back purely to make more money. Price is also going to be a factor of course.

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You're right that 'pay to win' is a horrible model and has what has put people off DLC. To be honest, if done the right way, I don't understand how anyone can have an issue with it.

Stages I think are going to be essential, both for the rallycross (of which I'm not a massive fan) and rally. Hopefully, CM decide there is a business model there in making further content and I'd be happy to pay for both more stages in existing locations or new environments (preference with the former).

With cars, so long as they for existing categories well, I'd be more than up for that too. I really appreciated the idea Assetto Corsa/Kunos had when they put a list of possibilities in a poll and asked people to vote on whatever would interest them. Something similar in DR, to create a 'Dream Pack' would be ideal and should for the class structure of the game well.

Either way, plenty more content to enjoy before we have to think about that!

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No, no, and no. I paid once, I was told to get full game content for that money, why should I pay now again for some "extra" features that game just should contain?

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Pioy said:
No, no, and no. I paid once, I was told to get full game content for that money, why should I pay now again for some "extra" features that game just should contain?
Only up to the end of EA not after.

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Pioy said:
No, no, and no. I paid once, I was told to get full game content for that money, why should I pay now again for some "extra" features that game just should contain?
I'd suggest when paying you agreed to buy the content listed in the timeline. The question is related to hypothetical content after the end if that Early Access period.

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Why's it crap? Genuine question.

There are some DLCs I can't stand. Anything where you have to pay to win and where top priority content is purposely held back because it can be sold later.

Total War Rome II was terrible for this, so I didn't buy it for a year until after it was released and all bundled together. They cost themselves my sale by cutting main factions out and by cutting content from the base game that was already finished.

But I can't understand the reluctance to have DLC content developed after the initial development period has been completed. If they'd left out the most obvious cars especially, I could understand, but the main legends of rallying look set to be in the main base game, so the sort of things we'd be looking at would be the more geeky, niche cars that fill out a grid and add depth.

With stages, it's clear from the timeline how many are planned/budgeted to be in the release after Early Access; 6 rally locations with 12 stages, 3 rallycross tracks and Pike's Peak. Surely any content developed on top of that would fall outside this remit and be worth funding?

I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's a discussion forum and the only reason I'm seeing against this approach (assuming it's done fairly, as I described), is 'no, I don't like DLC'.

Do you feel all content should be covered by the base price, or you don't like different versions of the same game (online mismatches etc), or something I'm not considering?

Genuine curiosity, not meant passive aggressively :)

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I'm old fashioned I guess; I want to pay for the game once and get all content included for that price. It is also a money issue, basically making DLC's exclusive to people with a decent income. It annoys me, because let's just say that my income is far from decent.

So no, not a fan of DLC crap. The longer they stay away from that new gaming generation mentality, the better.

Sorry to sound so negative. :blush: 

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Considering in this case that at the end of the year will have a huge content base game with the upcoming Finland and Sweden Rallies and because till now Dirt Rally is a good solid base to continue developing, I agree for future new Contries Rallies downloads.

Maybe it will pass years till we get another decent rally game so with downloads we can make it last. 

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If it's more of expansion-based (with new gameplay to match some new cars and tracks), then I'll be happy to pay. Small DLC packs, like those tiny car packs that most car games have nowadays, are underwhelming.

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Maybe it would be better for some standalone dlc's wich are focussed on only rally and the sub classes eighties and group B etc.I'm not much a fan of the hillclimb stuff.

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Pioy said:
No, no, and no. I paid once, I was told to get full game content for that money, why should I pay now again for some "extra" features that game just should contain?
I'd suggest when paying you agreed to buy the content listed in the timeline. The question is related to hypothetical content after the end if that Early Access period.

I agreed to pay now and be given more stuff in the future, obviously and especially, more cars and stages. So for me it's ok to get this in future updates, not in paid DLC's/

In fact - I'm verry surprised. After being asked "do you want us to force you to pay more for the same content", the most common answer is YES...

I'm old fashioned I guess; I want to pay for the game once and get all content included for that price. It is also a money issue, basically making DLC's exclusive to people with a decent income. It annoys me, because let's just say that my income is far from decent.

So no, not a fan of DLC crap. The longer they stay away from that new gaming generation mentality, the better.

Sorry to sound so negative. :blush: 

This is exactly what I tried to say, not everyone can say "uhh, €30, no problem to pay twice that much".



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I am a yes for DLC when DLC means content beyond what would have been included in the full game.

The issue with waiting for the next game in the series is that you might be waiting a long time for new stages, and when those stages come they might be wrapped in a package you don't like as much as the previous game.

I would rather have new content for a game I love than a new game that went a different direction, while the game I love gets no more updates.

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enamel said:
I am a yes for DLC when DLC means content beyond what would have been included in the full game.
The problem with this is the usual sense of entitlement which people exhibit, expecting everything for nothing.

When I saw the price of Dirt Rally, my immediate thought was "I guess we'll be paying for cars and stages later" - and I've NO problem with that - but I know some people will shake their toddler fists because "Sweden should be free" or "I want my Quattro" or whatever...

End of the day, Codemasters are here to make enough money so they get to make more games - I think they've been around long enough and made enough games to demonstrate their aim isn't just accruing money and then running away.  I kinda trust that they'll give me a decent game and if they want to add nice things thereafter - I'm good with that too.

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enamel said:
I am a yes for DLC when DLC means content beyond what would have been included in the full game.

The issue with waiting for the next game in the series is that you might be waiting a long time for new stages, and when those stages come they might be wrapped in a package you don't like as much as the previous game.

I would rather have new content for a game I love than a new game that went a different direction, while the game I love gets no more updates.
Originally, I looked at Sector3's model with R3E and thought it was horrible, and I'm still not the biggest fan, but I've come to appreciate the way they do things and that it's incentive for them to keep improving the base game. There's no 'end' in sight, it's a constant evolution, where selling new content enables them to keep patching and improving the base game and updating the older content to be as good as possible. 


I'm old fashioned I guess; I want to pay for the game once and get all content included for that price. It is also a money issue, basically making DLC's exclusive to people with a decent income. It annoys me, because let's just say that my income is far from decent.

So no, not a fan of DLC crap. The longer they stay away from that new gaming generation mentality, the better.

Sorry to sound so negative. :blush: 
I appreciate that, cheers.

For me, everything in life seems to have massively gone up in price, but I paid more for GP2 and Sportscars GT than I have done for DiRT Rally. Knowing the history of the DiRT franchise, I took what I considered to be a gamble on this game and the low price was part of that. I buy games very infrequently too, so I feel I should have paid more for the enjoyment I'm getting out of this in some ways too!

I especially want to support that the main cars were in from the start; if Group B had been held back, I would agree that DLC would be wrong (like Monte Carlo apparently was in DiRT 3), but adding 'depth' rather than 'essentials' (maybe slightly slower cars in each class) I'd be all in support of.

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Pioy said:
Pioy said:
No, no, and no. I paid once, I was told to get full game content for that money, why should I pay now again for some "extra" features that game just should contain?
I'd suggest when paying you agreed to buy the content listed in the timeline. The question is related to hypothetical content after the end if that Early Access period.

I agreed to pay now and be given more stuff in the future, obviously and especially, more cars and stages. So for me it's ok to get this in future updates, not in paid DLC's/

In fact - I'm verry surprised. After being asked "do you want us to force you to pay more for the same content", the most common answer is YES...

I'm old fashioned I guess; I want to pay for the game once and get all content included for that price. It is also a money issue, basically making DLC's exclusive to people with a decent income. It annoys me, because let's just say that my income is far from decent.

So no, not a fan of DLC crap. The longer they stay away from that new gaming generation mentality, the better.

Sorry to sound so negative. :blush: 

This is exactly what I tried to say, not everyone can say "uhh, €30, no problem to pay twice that much".



Codemaster's never said that they will give us free updates after EA, you need to read the forums a bit more and you will find out they said only during EA we will get free updates.

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