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29 minutes ago, BarryBL said:

Hi everyone,

Apologies for the delay on this, I wanted to get some thoughts from the developers on this topic. For F1 2020, we have completed our program in updating our driver statistics, and this will not happen further in the cycle for this current title. However, we have taken your feedback to the devs for any balancing needs for any future titles. 

Glad to hear this, at least its known with the developers and hopefully this will be more developed for future games 😄

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No surprise that it getting left broken and unwilling or unable to fix it really. Just look at the state the f2 has been released and left in ai doing silly pit stops which hand you easy win , they all pit together so they loose loads in pits, can't even get the order of performance right in that so yes no surprise at all. Glad I picked it up on the store for half price as got played a few races and deleted ...... 

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3 hours ago, Naxlr said:

Glad I picked it up on the store for half price as got played a few races and deleted ...... 

You’re smarter than I was.. I preordered and paid full price. Then I spend the better part of a year waiting for them to fix it, meanwhile it has been on sale multiple times and I’m still left with an unfinished game.. (support for adding more microtransactions was always on point for some strange reason 🤡)

But now they finally took our feedback and all we have to do is spend another € 80 and maybe the problem will finally get fixed in the next game.. yeahhh 😎

Now that’s customer service!!
Thank you Codemasters, you rock!! 🙃

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4 hours ago, StanleyGoodspeed said:

“We screwed up, but we’re not going to fix it”

Yup that is a disappointment, though frankly I would have preferred to be positive about @BarryBL getting an answer for us (thanks, man!) after 6 pages of questions.

Unfortunately, that does neither acknowledge, nor deny that this issue does in fact exist, and methinks most of us reading along here have meanwhile agreed that driver stats alone can not cause these results. That said, I would have preferred the devs to tell me that they are Bottas fans to the bone and that they finally want to give him a chance to beat Lewis, and thats why 😄 

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1 hour ago, Schneehase said:

Yup that is a disappointment, though frankly I would have preferred to be positive about @BarryBL getting an answer for us (thanks, man!) after 6 pages of questions.

Nothing personal against mr. BL (I get he doesn’t have power to change anything) and I do appreciate finally getting an answer. I just don’t like whole ‘screw you’-vibe I’m getting from Codemasters with this last game. It’s utterly disappointing and doesn’t give me much faith in future installments. 

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24 minutes ago, StanleyGoodspeed said:

It’s utterly disappointing and doesn’t give me much faith in future installments

Agree. There is no reason to be hyped about F1 2021 as long as F1 2020 has too many shortcomings which persist and will never be corrected (i wont name them here, it has all been said and written lately). It is double the shame, because large parts of this game are really very good and appealing. But it had so much more potential, that they will never loot this way.

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Don't really think the answer of yes we ain't going to fix a glaring error which there are a fair few is very good response at all and definitely put me off future games from this series. But I get it moving on to the next year game but not for me I've learned to wait a good 6 month to pick up games now multiple patches down the line and half price ... And if podium pass etc / fortnite rubbish Is still involved I'll pass completely .. Already racing around the new tracks imola, Portugal, even mugello on ride 4 , pc2 , ACC so unless there improvement in bug's and ai on rails/ god mode in wet I'll happily skip it completely .....

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8 hours ago, Naxlr said:

But I get it moving on to the next year game but not for me I've learned to wait a good 6 month to pick up games now multiple patches down the line and half price ... And if podium pass etc / fortnite rubbish Is still involved I'll pass completely .. Already racing around the new tracks imola, Portugal, even mugello on ride 4 , pc2 , ACC so unless there improvement in bug's and ai on rails/ god mode in wet I'll happily skip it completely .....

You’re right. Preordering F1 2020 had put me off purchasing Codemasters games on day one. Maybe I’ll get in a deep deep sale, but only if there’s no Fornite pass, I absolutely hate it with a passion! Ruined the game for me.  

I’m also playing Ride 4 at the moment. Great game with an absolutely awesome track selection en good dlc. 

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On 4/12/2021 at 11:38 AM, BarryBL said:

Hi everyone,

Apologies for the delay on this, I wanted to get some thoughts from the developers on this topic. For F1 2020, we have completed our program in updating our driver statistics, and this will not happen further in the cycle for this current title. However, we have taken your feedback to the devs for any balancing needs for any future titles. 

Thanks for replying. 

A solution to this in future games is surely adding a feature where we can edit driver stats ourselves, much like we can in many other sports titles. This would take a lot of pressure off yourselves getting updates out as well as allowing players to customize their experience. A similar feature to modify teams default stats would also be a huge improvement. 

Again, it takes pressure off you guys for rushing updates out and gives us all freedom in our own personal playthroughs. 

In terms of achievements/trophys etc. only make them obtainable when using unedited stats.

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Yes ride 4 track selection is probably the best in any racing game and I've added kylami , Valencia, Ulster and Daytona through cheap like 3 pound dlc . Doing them in full dynamic day night cycle , weather etc is awesome. I keep f1 18 on the hard drive if I want a f1 race but it rare. Yes podium pass every post race screen bugged me from first time I saw it and just added silly loading times between races . No rush or hype for the new f1 game for me got better games already like I say 6 month 20 pound tops but skip it completely if the same bug's/problems persist from games from over 3 year ago ... 

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My apologies for necroing this old thread, but I got to tell you are real life story that just happened:

I have a 8.5 years old son, who has been watching F1 races with me on TV, time to time during the past 2-3 years or so. He really like the races, he knows all driver names and teams, and though the races are too long for him to follow everything, he has a very good idea what is going on for a boy his age. He also is a big fan of Lewis Hamilton, celebrating along his wins and getting angry if he doesnt win or is not on pole or sumsuch. As for his other hobbies, he started programing with "scratch for kids" or sumsuch, and he is making his own, yet very very basic computer games.

Time to time he comes to watch in the evening what is going on in my office room when he is supposed to go to bed already. Tonight I had the race in Monaco, season 2 of my "myteam" playthrough with the march team - I drive with simulation damage, no driving aids, 90% AI. My qualifying wasnt too good, our car is like the 2nd worst on the grid, so I have to start from the last row, having a decent start, but to be honest while I manage to drive about between 15th and 19th on other tracks with our Honda driven backmarker team, here in Monaco it is a different story. I am having a hard time to keep up with Latifi running in 21st. Motivated by my son watching, I managed to stick close to the Williams rear wing for about 7 laps, then I brake too late into turn one and rip off my front left spoiler, just ripping it off by very slightly touching the left wall. We go into the pits to repair and swap for new hard tires.

As we are in the pits, we check the colored dots on the minimap, it seems a Mercedes is leading and I say to my son: "See, when I leave pits now, leader Hamilton will just pass us and we are a lap down". We leave the pits and while there is no sign of a car behind us yet, my son replies "I bet its Bottas leading".

Uphill to Casino Bottas is passing us, he is leading. Two turns later, I obey blue flags and make space for Leclerc's Ferrari to pass. Son goes "Oh, never seen this before, Leclerc in 2nd, thats not possible, is it". In the tunnel we get passed by Ricciardo in the Renault, my son says "Ricciardo 3rd, good mixed podium that is" 😄 Breaking for the shicane after the tunnel we let Verstappen and Hamilton pass. Son: "Oh, Hamilton is in 5th". A few seconds later he goes: "That must be a fault by the programers". I ask back "why do you say that?" and get no reply. Another like 10 seconds later, he replies: "So Bottas is driving as he was Hamilton, and Hamilton is driving like Bottas?"

I nearly fell out of my simracing chair... In my language there is a saying, when translated to English it would mean "fools and children always speak the truth" 😄 so I thought I would let you know. Again, sorry the nerco thread, could not resist^^

EDIT: Here is a comparison screenshot reality 2021 season versus myteam 2021 season 😄 enough said

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1 hour ago, Shark2Racing said:

Yes / he still is ! Yes he still is !

Yes he still is - Anybody out there ? 
 

No ? Ah working on F1-2021 Drama Story Mode ? 
 

well yeah - sorry that is of course a Top priority....

It doesn't make game better if you complain about Codemasters in every topic.

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LOL I am bsck after a long time, and got motivation to finish my team season 1. Bottas has won the championship in race 22 Brazil by more than 50 points. However, he has had only 1 DNF, while Hamilton, main rival has had 4 LMAO. 

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55 minutes ago, Krisperfectline said:

LOL I am bsck after a long time, and got motivation to finish my team season 1. Bottas has won the championship in race 22 Brazil by more than 50 points. However, he has had only 1 DNF, while Hamilton, main rival has had 4 LMAO. 

Bottas dominated in myteam season 1, and now in myteam season 2 it is the same, see the screenshots of the championship tables 4 postings above. I am absolutely sure that at least on PC with a higher AI percentage setting the majority of players are experiencing this. Bottas is Hamilton in disguise and vice versa, at least for me and my game of F1 2020. Even my 8 year old clearly understood that himself, see above as well^^

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If there’s anyone that’s overpowered in my career modes... It’s Ricciardo. I could be in a Racing Point and this man for me is smashing P4 or P3 every race, while I’m right behind him. His AI is crazy good for me. Bottas isn’t really OP for me, as he’s consistently P2 or P3 in mine. 

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One thing that is also OP: Alpha Tauri in a straightline. Their car is 3rd best on the power unit, whilst I am 9th, and their car is 6th best on the aerodynamics, while I am 3rd. However, Kyvat and Gasly appear to just overtake everyone with ease, including the Mercedes drivers. 

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47 minutes ago, Krisperfectline said:

One thing that is also OP: Alpha Tauri in a straightline. Their car is 3rd best on the power unit, whilst I am 9th, and their car is 6th best on the aerodynamics, while I am 3rd. However, Kyvat and Gasly appear to just overtake everyone with ease, including the Mercedes drivers. 

Not exactly sure if it's the case, but AlphaTauri is actually still using the Renault engine (with its upgrade multiplier values) in the game based on the files. 

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Alpha Tauri have always been one of the top tier midfield teams even from Season 1 on my game. Gasly would finish anywhere from 4th to 7th on average whereas Kvyat would be 8th to 10th. Their car was always near the bottom (like fluctuating from 6th to 8th in the performance chart). I just presumed there was some combination of things that made them competitive.

Regarding Bottas being overpowered in the game, I wish. My first season was pure Hammy domination. He won 15 out of the 22 races and got fastest lap in 16 races. The second season, he still won 9 with 11 fastest laps, and also won the title, as Mercedes were overtaken for fastest car. In season 3, Hamilton won 10 with fastest lap in 10 as well. It only fell apart in his last season where he moved teams before retiring.

Bottas, by comparison, 4 fastest laps and 3 victories in the first season. Second season, 4 victories and 4 fastest laps. He moved to Renault for season 3 and was only an occasional points scorer after that.

Max generally did okay but Hamilton just dominated everything. 

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While I appreciate the issue for single championship, grand prix or very early career modes, if you're multiple seasons in you don't have this issue, sorry, you have to allow for how the drivers develop over time. Hamilton may win for the next 7/8 seasons, but the game isn't going to shake out like that the majority of the time. By that point you''re well into fictional future land and Bottas may be well capable of dominating at that time. 

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56 minutes ago, KNT2011 said:

While I appreciate the issue for single championship, grand prix or very early career modes, if you're multiple seasons in you don't have this issue, sorry, you have to allow for how the drivers develop over time. Hamilton may win for the next 7/8 seasons, but the game isn't going to shake out like that the majority of the time. By that point you''re well into fictional future land and Bottas may be well capable of dominating at that time. 

Not sure that was the point of the original post, we were talking about Bottas dominating in the early seasons, 1 and 2 for example. However I do now feel its not the case anymore. I have done a few careers since, both driver mode and my team and its no longer noticeable. 

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