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I've done a few races on the game now and a greater number of time trials, practice and quali sessions and I'm LOVING the experience of the actual on-track driving. The way the car handles, the great frame rate, the AI feistiness, and especially the interaction with Geoff the race engineer. Despite an audio mix issue, they all work brilliantly. 

Unfortunately as much as I want to disregard many of the nay-sayers and haters on here, some of the bugs really are too big to ignore. Take, for example, the 25% Quick Race I just did at Spa. I'm running on Expert difficulty in a Ferrari and I purposefully qualified in the middle of the pack (P6) so I could get some good battling done. Up to P3 behind the Mercs into the pit stop window and for some bizarre reason Mercedes double-stack in the pit stop. Hamilton has to wait 5 seconds for his teammate to be serviced so he drops back to P5 out of the pits. I'm now in P2 having been gifted it by the weird pit strategy. Two laps later, Rosberg in front of me (who I'm really enjoying chasing down) inexplicably comes in for a second tyre change, in an 11-lap race - gifting me 1st. I watched the replay and nothing happened to him; no front wing loss or mistake made, just decided to come in.

What I'd built up to being a really exciting race with full practice and full quali was totally ruined by the Mercs simply removing themselves from the race. Add that to any number of odd little glitches like the pit stop timer stopping at 0.400 seconds, not being able to properly hear my engineer (despite radio at 100% and everything else below 60%) and a few weird graphical things and it starts to become a problem. 

I'm a huge racing fanatic and have had all the F1 games since 2010. I still think CM put out some of the best racers out there and this game is no exception - the actual experience on track is sensational - but the bugs are too big and too gamebreaking to ignore. I can no longer race my mates in my living room, something I used to do a few nights a week (very competitively!), no online co-op championship, no career mode... I'm feeling a bit deflated, Codemasters. It's bonkers to think that I will still have to play F1 2014 on my 360 to be able to compete with my mates as a social event. It just doesn't make sense. I've always been a huge supporter of your games and pre-ordered 2015 two months before release. Hell, I even bought an XB1 so I could continue playing my mates split-screen with the new game. I feel really let down and I'm about as loyal and supportive as it gets. 

I don't know how much you're planning on doing with patches, but my plea is this... please listen to us and let us help you make this game what we all want it to be - a huge success, hugely rewarding and a continuation of a hugely successful racing series.

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I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've said 100%. 
But at the end of the day, we've paid £40+ for a product they've simply not given us. If this was done in ANY other industry it wouldn't be tolerated, but because they've gotta captive custom and they know it, we should be happy with what we're given. 
UNACCEPTABLE

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No Career mode. So no building a skill set, no personalization or recognition, 1st driver status & offers of advancement to other teams. Just desensitized immersion. Ok that sucks. But surely, when you enter Championship Mode, for example say playing as, Merhi at the bottom of the pack, & do well as the season progresses, other teams notice you & you get an advancement to a better team for the next year? A continuity of the skill set you developed over the said season? Or do you go through all that, finish the Championship & then that's it? Nothing? No continuity whatsoever? Just pick another team & drive round the same circuits again like a lobotomy patient? If that's the case, then I guess in 6 races time, I'm just uninstalling it, deleting the saves, getting a refund or using the game as a firelighter in the back garden... Don't even get me started on the bugs & the idiotic moments like a huge multiple crash behind me at the 1st corner after the start of Monaco, cars sideways across the track, debris everywhere, loose wheels & within 3 seconds a voice says 'Green flag, the incident has been cleared' Who the f*ck by? The combined magical powers of the wizards at f*cking Hogwarts?!?

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@Mhicleoid - Totally agree with you on the lack of career mode. There's no sense of achievement in winning races and accumulating points. In the previous games, starting in a lower team and outperforming rivals was a key factor in making the game feel rewarding, earning your seat and your progress into more competitive teams. In F1 2015, if I start a career in a Force India or Sauber and manage to get a podium or consistently outperform my teammate, it couldn't make less of a difference - you finish 6th and you collect your points and at the end of the season all your hard work and battles and practice hours and setup tweaks you've made are entirely irrelevant. You're just a statistic.

You're right, it simply smacks of short-sightedness. The longevity of the game is severely diminished as a result. 

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Well, that is that, one buggy season completed. No continuity afterward. Game uninstalled & refunded. I feel like I just paid over the odds for an incomplete Beta demo with half the features locked.

A parody of Codies write-up for Amazon:

A STUNNING NEW GAME ENGINE - A brand new game engine, built from the ground up for the latest consoles and PCs allows players to experience FORMULA 1 with an unprecedented amount of detailed frame-rate drops, crashes & poor optimizations.

THE MOST RELEVANT FORMULA 1 GAME BUGS YET - An earlier release in the racing calendar tested by lab monkeys with shampoo in their eyes and with free digital bug updates, set to keep the game from working properly during the season, F1 2015 brings fans the most ransacked & idiotically engineered FORMULA 1 video game ever produced.

THE MOST INCLUSIVE F1 RACING EXPERIENCE EVER - Featuring a naturally authentic purely physics-based handling model with enhancements and additions in over 20 areas, F1 2015 is designed to be player inclusive for both seasoned players and those new to the series. Crash an F1 car at 220mph headlong into a concrete wall & see that wing get chipped! Or get into a high speed multiple car pile-up of your choice & escape with a puncture, as unseen magical wizards clear what should be a red flagged race in seconds. You'll love it!

CURSE LIKE A CHAMPION - With a pure racing focus, interspersed with mindlessly unimpressive cut scenes that you will start skipping after the 3rd race, whether you are a novice racer playing on a gamepad or an experienced gamer playing with a wheel, the new handling model will allow you to curse like a champion, cut virtually any corner you wish, be penalized for others mistakes & leave you feeling, deflated like never before.

GET CLOSER TO F1 THAN EVER BEFORE - Harnessing the power of the new generation engine, with new voice interaction on consoles and new broadcast-style presentation, F1 2015 immerses the player in a sea of frustration like never before. We at Codemasters feel this is far more immersive than actually having features that add any longevity & depth to the title. Marvel at our crude representations of facial expressions that make any human element we've attempted to animate look like blow up dolls from a porno shop

ALL THE THRILLS OF THE 2015 FIA FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP - Honda returns and once again forms an alliance with McLaren, who also welcome back Fernando Alonso. Sebastien Vettel moves to Ferrari and, alongside a new generation of exciting young drivers on the grid, will attempt to halt the winning start Mercedes have made in the new era of FORMULA 1. The race calendar for 2015 also features a new circuit, with a return to Mexico for the first time in over 20 years.

Sorry, we should have shortened that whole paragraph to 'We've even included ALL the cars with the drivers in the right cars because we are clever like that, & a new track that by default, should be on the calendar anyway. Go us!

NEW CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON - With new grid introductions and television-style broadcast presentation that will see EVEN more use of the 'skip' button than ever before, the Championship Season is the most annoying FORMULA 1 experience yet. Can you beat all the bugs we've included & then your rivals and earn the adulation of other forum members as you celebrate your rants on the forum? Oh you cant? We've removed you? Oh well.

NEW PRO SEASON - The ultimate challenge - can you master the game on its most realistic settings? We like this effectively placebo feature we've added which is really no more than turning off all assists & doing a 100% race with no flashbacks, but we are desperate for selling points.

ONLINE PRACTICE & MORE - Hone your skills in the new Online Practice Session before being kicked from lobbies world wide, challenging your friends to do better, while occasionally being able to race rivals that turn into vanishing ghosts from across the world in Online Multifailure.

BONUS CONTENT - Look back at last year's exciting season and enjoy a fully playable yet equally un-immersive 2014 FIA FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP as bonus game content also with none of the features of 2014 that made it playable in the first place. Yes, we've even stripped that of any worthwhile goals so we can have two dicks prattiling on about nothing, just like Jeff, your friendly race engineer, who lets face it, is a bit of a c0ck himself & about as much use a chocolate teapot

That's All Folks, until 2016. Pre-order NOW.

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Very accurate. Just shows how much contempt codies have for us, that really is the blurb they should have given us.

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They will bring back the removed features one by one, or many by many in the next years, or stop paying the never-ending greedy effs at FOM and that will be it.

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What I can't understand is the safety car at the start of the race and yet it's still not in the game. Totally unacceptable, buggy and unrealistic multiplayer which isn't worth the money. Next years game (more than likely) will bring these features back and call them brand new.    

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Chromatic said:
What I can't understand is the safety car at the start of the race and yet it's still not in the game. Totally unacceptable, buggy and unrealistic multiplayer which isn't worth the money. Next years game (more than likely) will bring these features back and call them brand new.    
What I can't understand is the safety car being REMOVED full stop it ain't been taken out by the FOM  in real life  2015 season   SO why  CM  ???  any chance    @LiteralZero  can you answer that  one please  ...

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@LiteralZero If we can have an honest answer the community might be a bit more forgiving for example: coding problem's within the engine or time constrains while preparing the engine for next generation? I don't buy FOM not allowing you to but the car in the game. Is it a software or time issue before the game going gold and general release?  

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ugh, the safety car was not removed. They rebuilt the game and just have not added it yet. That sucks but hopefully when it makes its return it will be function better than it used to in previous games.  Same with career mode. Hopefully they have ideas to make this a much better feature in 2016 than it was in the older games. They have not removed anything. They just have not added back everything to their new rebuilt game.  

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Berad88 said:
ugh, the safety car was not removed. They rebuilt the game and just have not added it yet. That sucks but hopefully when it makes its return it will be function better than it used to in previous games.  Same with career mode. Hopefully they have ideas to make this a much better feature in 2016 than it was in the older games. They have not removed anything. They just have not added back everything to their new rebuilt game.  
You sound like a Codemasters employee. No, guys, we haven't removed anything! We've rebuilt stuff! Yes, we did have features in previous games that we haven't now, but that doesn't mean we "removed" anything.

Just because you make a new engine doesn't mean you have an excuse to leave out stuff. Especially after blowing own horn about how you've delivered a sub-par product (F1 2014) so you can focus and work 2 years on the next project. Only to deliver a bug-ridden sub-par product with somewhat better graphics.
You can't make one step forwards and 3 back. This isn't how game development should work.

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Berad88 said:
ugh, the safety car was not removed. They rebuilt the game and just have not added it yet. That sucks but hopefully when it makes its return it will be function better than it used to in previous games.  Same with career mode. Hopefully they have ideas to make this a much better feature in 2016 than it was in the older games. They have not removed anything. They just have not added back everything to their new rebuilt game.  
You sound like a Codemasters employee. No, guys, we haven't removed anything! We've rebuilt stuff! Yes, we did have features in previous games that we haven't now, but that doesn't mean we "removed" anything.

Just because you make a new engine doesn't mean you have an excuse to leave out stuff. Especially after blowing own horn about how you've delivered a sub-par product (F1 2014) so you can focus and work 2 years on the next project. Only to deliver a bug-ridden sub-par product with somewhat better graphics.
You can't make one step forwards and 3 back. This isn't how game development should work.
 You don't even own the game. I do, on the Xbox One.  If you played it you could tell it was rebuilt from the ground up. The driving is awesome. A lot of fun driving around the tracks  and the AI is the best racing AI ever. Seriously, the very best racing AI ever. Yea, there are bugs but at least in the Xbox One version I have only encountered very minor bugs that had no effect on game play and were not even close to game breaking.  You really should open your eyes. You can't judge this game till you get behind the wheel. Your loss. I will be on the track while your busy hating. 

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Berad88 said:
Berad88 said:
ugh, the safety car was not removed. They rebuilt the game and just have not added it yet. That sucks but hopefully when it makes its return it will be function better than it used to in previous games.  Same with career mode. Hopefully they have ideas to make this a much better feature in 2016 than it was in the older games. They have not removed anything. They just have not added back everything to their new rebuilt game.  
You sound like a Codemasters employee. No, guys, we haven't removed anything! We've rebuilt stuff! Yes, we did have features in previous games that we haven't now, but that doesn't mean we "removed" anything.

Just because you make a new engine doesn't mean you have an excuse to leave out stuff. Especially after blowing own horn about how you've delivered a sub-par product (F1 2014) so you can focus and work 2 years on the next project. Only to deliver a bug-ridden sub-par product with somewhat better graphics.
You can't make one step forwards and 3 back. This isn't how game development should work.
 You don't even own the game. I do, on the Xbox One.  If you played it you could tell it was rebuilt from the ground up. The driving is awesome. A lot of fun driving around the tracks  and the AI is the best racing AI ever. Seriously, the very best racing AI ever. Yea, there are bugs but at least in the Xbox One version I have only encountered very minor bugs that had no effect on game play and were not even close to game breaking.  You really should open your eyes. You can't judge this game till you get behind the wheel. Your loss. I will be on the track while your busy hating. 
I owned this game. On PC. I got a refund for a very good reason.
It runs crap on PC. Hell, you can't even remove that stupid motion blur effect in-game. Apart from that, no careerer mode, no safety car, an even worse damage model than previous years. Yes, the driving physics and the AI are better, however, I had no trouble to still make up multiple places in the first corner like in previous years. The AI even on Legend is still far too easy to beat. The backmarkers still won't get properly out of the way. On qualifying laps you almost have no way of getting past other cars, they are defending like they're racing against you. Penalties and corner cutting while also slightly improved has also quite a lot of problems.

But hey, I guess, I should be glad about a game which is slightly better in some areas while removing key features, right?

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Berad88 said:
Berad88 said:
ugh, the safety car was not removed. They rebuilt the game and just have not added it yet. That sucks but hopefully when it makes its return it will be function better than it used to in previous games.  Same with career mode. Hopefully they have ideas to make this a much better feature in 2016 than it was in the older games. They have not removed anything. They just have not added back everything to their new rebuilt game.  
You sound like a Codemasters employee. No, guys, we haven't removed anything! We've rebuilt stuff! Yes, we did have features in previous games that we haven't now, but that doesn't mean we "removed" anything.

Just because you make a new engine doesn't mean you have an excuse to leave out stuff. Especially after blowing own horn about how you've delivered a sub-par product (F1 2014) so you can focus and work 2 years on the next project. Only to deliver a bug-ridden sub-par product with somewhat better graphics.
You can't make one step forwards and 3 back. This isn't how game development should work.
 You don't even own the game. I do, on the Xbox One.  If you played it you could tell it was rebuilt from the ground up. The driving is awesome. A lot of fun driving around the tracks  and the AI is the best racing AI ever. Seriously, the very best racing AI ever. Yea, there are bugs but at least in the Xbox One version I have only encountered very minor bugs that had no effect on game play and were not even close to game breaking.  You really should open your eyes. You can't judge this game till you get behind the wheel. Your loss. I will be on the track while your busy hating. 
And you don't own the game on PC (I assume), so please don't try to tell me (a PC owner) what's not wrong with this game on my platform. Furthermore, if it's OK with you to have the games options and features stripped away and are willing to wait for future years and pay again to get them back, that's your business, because it's not OK with me.



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Berad88 said:
ugh, the safety car was not removed. They rebuilt the game and just have not added it yet. That sucks but hopefully when it makes its return it will be function better than it used to in previous games.  Same with career mode. Hopefully they have ideas to make this a much better feature in 2016 than it was in the older games. They have not removed anything. They just have not added back everything to their new rebuilt game.  
Actually makes no sense.

"They rebuilt the game and have just not added it yet", "They have not removed anything. They just have not added back everything to their new rebuilt game.  "

That implies they removed everything. So they removed safety cars and career mode, and built everything from the ground up again. You think waiting until 2016 is acceptable? They could have released a beta at £20 with the current championship format with zero progression or replay value, got our feedback and implemented whatever they "removed" in the next game.

But what they did was drop a lot of what made the games good previously, release another stop gap, and now those who did purchase it get the pleasure of beta testing 2015 so that codemasters can ignore community feedback and release whatever the hell they want in 2016. I'm not angry, just disappointed :(

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Berad88 said:
ugh, the safety car was not removed. They rebuilt the game and just have not added it yet. That sucks but hopefully when it makes its return it will be function better than it used to in previous games.  Same with career mode. Hopefully they have ideas to make this a much better feature in 2016 than it was in the older games. They have not removed anything. They just have not added back everything to their new rebuilt game.  
You sound like a Codemasters employee. No, guys, we haven't removed anything! We've rebuilt stuff! Yes, we did have features in previous games that we haven't now, but that doesn't mean we "removed" anything.

Just because you make a new engine doesn't mean you have an excuse to leave out stuff. Especially after blowing own horn about how you've delivered a sub-par product (F1 2014) so you can focus and work 2 years on the next project. Only to deliver a bug-ridden sub-par product with somewhat better graphics.
You can't make one step forwards and 3 back. This isn't how game development should work.

No but the fact is when you build a new engine it means that these things have to be rebuilt which al takes time. CM don't have lots of resources like some other games companies so they have to pick and choose carefully where those re4sources are used. We might make different decision than they did but they're the ones who have to make the decisions all we can do is hope that eventually they get it right. If you don't like what they produce then don't buy it.

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You don't even own the game. I do, on the Xbox One.  If you played it you could tell it was rebuilt from the ground up. The driving is awesome. A lot of fun driving around the tracks  and the AI is the best racing AI ever. Seriously, the very best racing AI ever.
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sjsharp2010 said: If you don't like what they produce then don't buy it.
How do you know what it's like until you buy it and play it. Steam only gives you two hours. How do you discover bugs etc, etc discovered over the past two weeks in less than two hours, if you pre purchased and downloaded July 10?

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sjsharp2010 said: If you don't like what they produce then don't buy it.
How do you know what it's like until you buy it and play it. Steam only gives you two hours. How do you discover bugs etc, etc discovered over the past two weeks in less than two hours, if you pre purchased and downloaded July 10?
True but they are working on the bugs they'll just take time to fix. All we can do i9n that instance is report them as we find them and wait and see if CM fix them. But people still need to give them that time to do that. My comment was more aimed at the features rather than the bugs as CM were pretty clear before the game came out that things like career mode didn't make the cut this year.

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hobbsy777 said:

sjsharp2010 said: If you don't like what they produce then don't buy it.
How do you know what it's like until you buy it and play it. Steam only gives you two hours. How do you discover bugs etc, etc discovered over the past two weeks in less than two hours, if you pre purchased and downloaded July 10?
True but they are working on the bugs they'll just take time to fix. All we can do i9n that instance is report them as we find them and wait and see if CM fix them. But people still need to give them that time to do that. My comment was more aimed at the features rather than the bugs as CM were pretty clear before the game came out that things like career mode didn't make the cut this year.
But they (ahem) forgot to tell us they had b*ggered up the practice/quali choices.

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hobbsy777 said:

sjsharp2010 said: If you don't like what they produce then don't buy it.
How do you know what it's like until you buy it and play it. Steam only gives you two hours. How do you discover bugs etc, etc discovered over the past two weeks in less than two hours, if you pre purchased and downloaded July 10?
True but they are working on the bugs they'll just take time to fix. All we can do i9n that instance is report them as we find them and wait and see if CM fix them. But people still need to give them that time to do that. My comment was more aimed at the features rather than the bugs as CM were pretty clear before the game came out that things like career mode didn't make the cut this year.
But they (ahem) forgot to tell us they had b*ggered up the practice/quali choices.

True but I would count that more as an oversight than anything. Plus there' s still a chance they may be adjusting it later in a patch/update because it is a rather small thing anyway.

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