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Should you please look at the Qualifying Pace Program (QPP)? It is always way to dificult. In my team or Player Career I amost always get a time under the expectations, so a red time. While in the qualifyings I always qualify much better than the expectations of my team while looking at my QPP time. This is not an issue that is with me, I just always use the standard set up, or the highest possible fuel mode. This is not fun anymore because potentialy I always lose a lot of resource points because of this. Or is this problem only with me? What do I do wrong?

Also an other thing. The practice times of the AI is always very bad in practice in comparison with the qualifyings. With the time I set with the QPP (which was red) I ended up in first position with my 'my team' car who is second worst of the grid. And yes the other drivers also used the same tyres as I did. So it's rediculous that my QPP time was not good enough to get some resource points of it. This was in practice 2, but in qualifying I always end up around 18th.

 

EDIT: Sorry I found the issue of the bad practice times of the AI, but the problem with the QPP is still there. I just bought a racing wheel and first learned to drive with it, but already did practice session 1 with the controller and than I used a set up, but I didn't know it was auto taken to practice session 2. But this actually lets us see more obvious that there is a problem with the QPP. Because even with the set up I got a red QPP time but in stead I had the fastest lap in the practice session with a car like Williams (in the first season in Azerbaijan).

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Not only ur problem. When I was running practice session on my own I also had it all the time. Have no idea how they measure the time cause AI skill level seems irrelevant to it. I rarely green on it while I am constantly qualify in front of the grid in my RB car. When I was in Alfa 1st season I was fighting for Q2 cause I am playing on high AI level to make it realistic but even with perfect lap I couldn't be as fast as it want. Now I am usually sim practice session but when I done one I always skip Quali Sim. 

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Alright, nice to hear that I'm not the only one, hopefully codemasters will read and fix it, because this is rediculous. Yea me too I play on level 95 with a race wheel I'm just getting used to and in the career modes I race with no set ups to make it more realistic that it's all fair. I hope I still can improve and upgrade the AI a bit.

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Hi there,
in my experience I also found a bit weird how to measure AI performance in practice, I mean, I do not understand if or when they attempt a QPP.

Usually I run P1 and P2 (time 100%) to find/improve my race pace, so I do not run QPP, and the comparison with AI is quite good all in all (similar to race pace).
While in P3 I run QPP and, with the same AI level, I'm always much faster. To let you understand, if I'm 10th-15th in P1-P2 I can be even 1st-3rd in P3 with the same AI. In other words it looks like the AI doesn't try QPP at all!

Then in race I find back the AI level of P1/P2 more or less.

Not a big problem, just to share my thoughts...

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Nuv

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On 12/21/2020 at 3:51 PM, Nuvolarix said:

Hi there,
in my experience I also found a bit weird how to measure AI performance in practice, I mean, I do not understand if or when they attempt a QPP.

Usually I run P1 and P2 (time 100%) to find/improve my race pace, so I do not run QPP, and the comparison with AI is quite good all in all (similar to race pace).
While in P3 I run QPP and, with the same AI level, I'm always much faster. To let you understand, if I'm 10th-15th in P1-P2 I can be even 1st-3rd in P3 with the same AI. In other words it looks like the AI doesn't try QPP at all!

Then in race I find back the AI level of P1/P2 more or less.

Not a big problem, just to share my thoughts...

Regards,
Nuv

Yes I know what you mean. But maybe you need to read once the text that shows when you are pointing at the QPP button. I think it says that it uses the max fuel option (so probably 3 and not 4) and always uses the ERS the whole time. So probably that's why you are faster. But as you say it still makes no sense because why don't the CPU doesn't use it? Maybe they just never do I have no idea, but thx to mention. I hope Codemasters will all read this and make an update.

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The fastest times of the weekend in a real Grand Prix is in Qualifying, as in the game. What is it you want? AI unrealistically doing Quali style times in Practice 1 so that you know what time you have to get for Qualifying? Also, during your Qualifying Pace Programme you run with rich fuel mix at most, in Qualifying you run using max, which does lead to a big difference in times.

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On 12/24/2020 at 11:14 PM, Y2Kev said:

The fastest times of the weekend in a real Grand Prix is in Qualifying, as in the game. What is it you want? AI unrealistically doing Quali style times in Practice 1 so that you know what time you have to get for Qualifying? Also, during your Qualifying Pace Programme you run with rich fuel mix at most, in Qualifying you run using max, which does lead to a big difference in times.

I know that the times in practice are slower and they don't have to be as fast as the qualifyings, that's is not the problem. It's the QPP. And yes it does make a big difference. If you don't know this than you don't play it much. The difference between fuel most and fuel max can make around a half second or even a second faster, which is a very big difference. But still that isn't the problem. I'm talking about the QPP dude. There I can't even get qualifying time of place 20, but in the qualifyings I get around a 16th place. So that doesn't make sence! It's almost impossible to complete the QPP. If you haven't noticed this than just leave man and don't argue.

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On 12/27/2020 at 2:09 PM, F1DriverBelgium said:

I know that the times in practice are slower and they don't have to be as fast as the qualifyings, that's is not the problem. It's the QPP. And yes it does make a big difference. If you don't know this than you don't play it much. The difference between fuel most and fuel max can make around a half second or even a second faster, which is a very big difference. But still that isn't the problem. I'm talking about the QPP dude. There I can't even get qualifying time of place 20, but in the qualifyings I get around a 16th place. So that doesn't make sence! It's almost impossible to complete the QPP. If you haven't noticed this than just leave man and don't argue.

So you’re asking people to agree and commiserate with you rather than discuss it? Why put it on a discussion board then?

What you could do is either put the difficulty down in the practice session you are doing the QPP or practice and get better at the game.

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On 12/24/2020 at 4:28 PM, F1DriverBelgium said:

always uses the ERS the whole time.

You can change this around the lap. Most tracks you have to do this in order to make it through the whole lap with some ERS.

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Dude @Y2Kev it really looks like you don't know the game. When in QPP you can't change manage your ERS dude so don't argue if you don't know anything about it, that's all I'm saying. I am only talking about the QPP. Of course you can manage your ERS in practice sessions, but not while doing QPP. And In btw in real life the top 10 drivers in practice mostly looks like the top 10 in qualifying with some little changes, but in the game in can happen that you end up in the top 14 when your car is second worst and that is not the problem of the difficulty because it's while qualifying you drop back again to around 18th-20th place. And no I'm not asking too agree, but you just don't get it. Again we are talking about the QPP that is incorrect difficult and  about the differences between the practice standings and the qualifying standings which are sometimes way too different which isn't in real life.

And also I haven't placed this in a discussion board, this is ment for codemasters to check this and as you can see I placed this in 'technical assistance' -> 'Gameplay Issues and Bugs TA' and not in a general discussion or something.

And changing the difficulty in practice sessions is not the smart thing to do because you can't practice for the race and don't know if you are performing well to prepare for the race and then you earn resource points too easy, which is stupid. 

You are always answering like you didn't read the messages or just half of it. READ first and of course you may answer in here like the other guys but than say something that makes sense or try to help dude.

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On 1/14/2021 at 3:46 PM, F1DriverBelgium said:

you can't change manage your ERS

Seems like YOU are actually the one who doesn’t know the game since you can change your ERS setting during the qualifying pace programme. It’s how I make it to the pit straight with ERS left, so don’t @ me talking nonsense.

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On 1/14/2021 at 3:46 PM, F1DriverBelgium said:

it really looks like you don't know the game. When in QPP you can't change manage your ERS 

I’ve got it. The solution you’re looking for. Clearly you aren’t using the 2020 cars. Stop using the 1992 Williams, that doesn’t have ERS.

 

On 1/14/2021 at 3:46 PM, F1DriverBelgium said:

READ first and of course you may answer in here like the other guys but than say something that makes sense or try to help dude.

What I’d suggest you do is play the game first then come on here complaining about things. You certainly aren’t complaining about this game if you think you can’t change ERS mode in Qualifying Programme.

Wait! Is that the issue? Are you playing a different game altogether?

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On 12/24/2020 at 4:28 PM, F1DriverBelgium said:

I think it says that it uses the max fuel option (so probably 3 and not 4) and always uses the ERS the whole time.

You can also change the fuel from Rich setting if you wish to do so. Pointless since you’d be changing it down but am just pointing out how error strewn your comments actually are.

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21 hours ago, Y2Kev said:

Seems like YOU are actually the one who doesn’t know the game since you can change your ERS setting during the qualifying pace programme. It’s how I make it to the pit straight with ERS left, so don’t @ me talking nonsense.

 

1 hour ago, Y2Kev said:

I’ve got it. The solution you’re looking for. Clearly you aren’t using the 2020 cars. Stop using the 1992 Williams, that doesn’t have ERS.

 

What I’d suggest you do is play the game first then come on here complaining about things. You certainly aren’t complaining about this game if you think you can’t change ERS mode in Qualifying Programme.

Wait! Is that the issue? Are you playing a different game altogether?

@Y2Kev Dude it's almost funny you still think you can manage ERS in QPP LOL! I am not talking about F1 2018 of 2019, I'm talking about a new game, F1 2020, ever heard of it? Qualifying pace program is in the practise sessions and it's not the same as the qualifying sessions.

You probably won't believe me again so I looked it up on YT especially for you so you won't talk nonsense anymore that I don't know the game OMG. Here is the video. You can see, your ERS is locked at the QPP on mode 2 and the guy even says: 'during QPP you don't have to worry about fuel and ERS mode!' I'm curious what your reaction will be after this. Maybe you first needed to try it out in stead of shouting lies.

And again I wasn't complaining about this, I was complaining about the QPP time to beat is way too hard. But yea you didn't understand so I had to explain it all to you again and again and again about something that wasn't the problem and you still believes your own lies. But let me know when you finally realise you where wrong whole the time, OK? Because you are wasting my time. Than finaly maybe you can help and think about the real problem. Thx

Kind regards

1 hour ago, Y2Kev said:

You can also change the fuel from Rich setting if you wish to do so. Pointless since you’d be changing it down but am just pointing out how error strewn your comments actually are.

Again try it dude and look at the fuel settings, just try and than open your mouth. When you try, you will see the fuel mode Rich (3) is the highest mode possible in QPP!

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On 1/26/2021 at 5:59 PM, F1DriverBelgium said:

 

@Y2Kev Dude it's almost funny you still think you can manage ERS in QPP LOL! I am not talking about F1 2018 of 2019, I'm talking about a new game, F1 2020, ever heard of it? Qualifying pace program is in the practise sessions and it's not the same as the qualifying sessions.

You probably won't believe me again so I looked it up on YT especially for you so you won't talk nonsense anymore that I don't know the game OMG. Here is the video. You can see, your ERS is locked at the QPP on mode 2 and the guy even says: 'during QPP you don't have to worry about fuel and ERS mode!' I'm curious what your reaction will be after this. Maybe you first needed to try it out in stead of shouting lies.

And again I wasn't complaining about this, I was complaining about the QPP time to beat is way too hard. But yea you didn't understand so I had to explain it all to you again and again and again about something that wasn't the problem and you still believes your own lies. But let me know when you finally realise you where wrong whole the time, OK? Because you are wasting my time. Than finaly maybe you can help and think about the real problem. Thx

Kind regards

Again try it dude and look at the fuel settings, just try and than open your mouth. When you try, you will see the fuel mode Rich (3) is the highest mode possible in QPP!

I shall record a short video for you in my next Qualifying Pace Programme on the F1 2020 game. Maybe then you will accept that you’re wrong.

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On 2/1/2021 at 3:08 PM, Y2Kev said:

I shall record a short video for you

As promised. My apologies for making you feel like a fool. Now, had you listened weeks ago you could have been improving. Use the ERS properly, ensure it lasts the lap and your Qualifying Pace Programme times will improve.

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On 2/4/2021 at 7:23 PM, Y2Kev said:

As promised. My apologies for making you feel like a fool. Now, had you listened weeks ago you could have been improving. Use the ERS properly, ensure it lasts the lap and your Qualifying Pace Programme times will improve.

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Now I am very curious. As if you think your game is different from our game. Didn't you see the YT video I shared? It makes it very clear that you are wrong. Or are you scared to watch it?

And I can't watch your video btw. If I want to watch that I have to pay for a program first. If I go to 'open with', there is nothing that works. Otherwise just share it on YT where you have the option to share privately so only the people with the link can see the video. And I really want to see that video, I am very curious what you are going to do next when you realise you are wrong. If it's mp4 I would be able to watch it too. And curious who will feel like a fool, but I'm very shure who will be.

 

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2 hours ago, F1DriverBelgium said:

Now I am very curious. As if you think your game is different from our game. Didn't you see the YT video I shared? It makes it very clear that you are wrong. Or are you scared to watch it?

And I can't watch your video btw. If I want to watch that I have to pay for a program first. If I go to 'open with', there is nothing that works. Otherwise just share it on YT where you have the option to share privately so only the people with the link can see the video. And I really want to see that video, I am very curious what you are going to do next when you realise you are wrong. If it's mp4 I would be able to watch it too. And curious who will feel like a fool, but I'm very shure who will be.

I'm going to weigh in here and ask you to stop trading blows, it's pointless. @Y2Kev

@F1DriverBelgium sorry if you think you have to pay to watch the video, but there are options out there. VLC Media Player

Next one of you to try to get a rise out of the other will get a warning, and this thread is being moved to chat as the game is working 'by design'.

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On 2/11/2021 at 11:33 AM, steviejay69 said:

I'm going to weigh in here and ask you to stop trading blows, it's pointless. @Y2Kev

@F1DriverBelgium sorry if you think you have to pay to watch the video, but there are options out there. VLC Media Player

Next one of you to try to get a rise out of the other will get a warning, and this thread is being moved to chat as the game is working 'by design'.

Sure thing steviejay69. It’s all done as far as I’m concerned chief! My apologies to you guys at Codies / Codies forum for getting into a stupid, pointless argument whilst trying to help someone. Won’t happen again.

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On 2/11/2021 at 12:33 PM, steviejay69 said:

I'm going to weigh in here and ask you to stop trading blows, it's pointless. @Y2Kev

@F1DriverBelgium sorry if you think you have to pay to watch the video, but there are options out there. VLC Media Player

Next one of you to try to get a rise out of the other will get a warning, and this thread is being moved to chat as the game is working 'by design'.

 

16 hours ago, Y2Kev said:

Sure thing steviejay69. It’s all done as far as I’m concerned chief! My apologies to you guys at Codies / Codies forum for getting into a stupid, pointless argument whilst trying to help someone. Won’t happen again.

Sorry for my behavior and these posts @steviejay69 It was never my intention to act like this, but I was accused here of being just a stupid guy who knows nothing about the game, when I just wanted to report a problem. And I don't take that, I hope you understand that too. He says he just wanted to help, but I doubt that. He only ever commented on what I said. As you can see there were other people who agreed with me and had the same problem. Until he came and challenged me a bit. @Y2kev if it was really your intention to help us then I'm really sorry that I reacted like that every time, but it really didn't look like that, sorry.

But I would have liked to watch the video now, but I'm not going to download a program especially for that. Maybe you @steviejay69 can end the discussion by just saying whether it is possible to arrange ERS during a QPP or not. That would be easier. No idea how it really is, but in my game I can't change this, whether I press the ERS button or not it stays locked in QPP.

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