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Been playing for a week, and I think I "mastered" manual shifting. Tried to turn traction control and brake assistance off, or set to low, and failed miserably, even during a dry day. It was frustrating.

Any advice of how to get rid of those assistances? How do you guys did it? Or...  is someone that plays in Legend mode that still uses any assistance at all? 

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I use 2D braking line, sometimes 3D. Always have, probably always will. I simply cannot consistently gauge the proper braking points at every corner on every circuit to run with it off. I've tried in F1 2013, F1 2014 and now in this game. Can't do it.

I don't use any other assists, and race against Legend AI.

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j90 said:
I use 2D braking line, sometimes 3D. Always have, probably always will. I simply cannot consistently gauge the proper braking points at every corner on every circuit to run with it off. I've tried in F1 2013, F1 2014 and now in this game. Can't do it.

I don't use any other assists, and race against Legend AI.
How long it took for you to master brakes and traction?

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jocampo said:
j90 said:
I use 2D braking line, sometimes 3D. Always have, probably always will. I simply cannot consistently gauge the proper braking points at every corner on every circuit to run with it off. I've tried in F1 2013, F1 2014 and now in this game. Can't do it.

I don't use any other assists, and race against Legend AI.
How long it took for you to master brakes and traction?
I've always driven with assists like that off. The only other assist I've ever used besides braking line is auto shifting. Took me one practice session to adjust to manual shifting. I expected it to be more difficult to transition, but it wasn't.

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I do not use any assistance using pad.... I only play in legend mode and I am very competitive. ...
It takes a wile to really master this,  but I  played all the F1 games, since 2010.... 

The point is, in my opinion,  you need to turn off all the assistance and, if necessary,  come back some AI levels just to keep the game enjoyable. ...

You will need to create your muscular memory. ...
 It takes some time. .... but slowly you wll become more and more fast.... then you can increase the AI level again. ....

Hope this helps you. ...

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SLF321 said:
I do not use any assistance using pad.... I only play in legend mode and I am very competitive. ...
It takes a wile to really master this,  but I  played all the F1 games, since 2010.... 

The point is, in my opinion,  you need to turn off all the assistance and, if necessary,  come back some AI levels just to keep the game enjoyable. ...

You will need to create your muscular memory. ...
 It takes some time. .... but slowly you wll become more and more fast.... then you can increase the AI level again. ....

Hope this helps you. ...
So... your advice is turning everything off, and tweak AI up and down until you get used to?

Yeah, I don't typically like playing games with any assistance, not even soccer games (I am latin) It takes away the skills and fun, but for F1, is not so easy.

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Just pick a track you like and do time trial.

Turn everything off other than racing line,  Its easier not having to worry about other cars/damage/tyres/fuel. Once your comfortable and posting decent times, go for a race weekend. It probably took me an evening to get ok with it, few sessions and I was half decent.

The key is throttle/brake aren't on/off switches.

Put the time in and you'll eventually enjoy the game more.

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No assists for me. Once I moved from a controller to a wheel years ago everything went to off. It takes time to learn driving without traction control but it's so much more fun. I don't see the point of buying a racing game if you are going to use assists. Just feels like cheating to me and I'm not getting my money's worth. I have never liked the driving lines. I hate how every racing game has them these days and they default to on. So dang annoying. Learning the track is a part of the challenge.

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I cant share any experiences in regards to F1 2015 as i completed my transition to no assists a few years ago, but some general tips: 

Learn one thing after the other, otherwise your mind will mess things up badly under stress. However, it looks like you are taking this approach already as you learned manual shifting first. Now as a next step, if you want to see your lap times dropping quicker I suggest to turn off traction control first. Turn exit on acceleration is much more important for a quick lap than turn entry on the brakes. Another advantage is that throttle control isn't really dependent on the choice of your controller (you didn't mention anything in your OP).

This choice CAN (i'll explain it later) have a huge influence on your brake control though....On a gamepad (triggers) or a wheel with standard pedals you apply the brake power by pushing the trigger down a certain distance, while on pressure based brakes (rubber or load-cell) brake power is being applied by pushing the pedal with a certain amount of force (like a real car brake). This makes it much easier for our muscle memory to apply the right amount of force for the respective corner. Sorry for going a bit too much into details, but it can have an important effect on your quest to become assist-less. Some people have absolutely no problem using distance based braking, others (including myself) are badly struggling with this method and only get good results with pressure based braking. Now the question is to what group you belong to ;) Should you find yourself struggling without making any real progress after turning of brake assists (welcome to my world) my suggestion would be to either turn ABS back on or get a pressure based brake system. I just want to save you some frustration in this regard. If you are one of those who can manage distance based braking then there's no immediate need to change your controller setup as it wont make you inevitably faster.

One thing you didnt mention is if you are using the race line or not. If yes, then please turn this thing off asap. With active race line you will become a slave of it and basically just stupidly following the line. While driving without suggested race line can be frustrating and time consuming on certain tracks, especially if you prefer short races, it will force you to "read" and understand the track and all its corners on your way to find the ideal race line. It also helps to learn driving without active assists and it will make you a better and faster driver in general. Additionally, in most games the suggested race line isn't really the quickest one, so this will gain you up to a few seconds per lap once you know the track in and out. 

Apart from that, have fun and dont give up because getting rid of assists can change your whole game experience significantly, its definitely worth all the hassle. 

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is it really that difficult playing full assists off in this game..?

90% people I barely manage to play within this hopper crap system and in past iterations are all assist users. It's so underhelming to not be able to separating those playing with aids from those who don't

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Woozie77 said:
I cant share any experiences in regards to F1 2015 as i completed my transition to no assists a few years ago, but some general tips: 

Learn one thing after the other, otherwise your mind will mess things up badly under stress. However, it looks like you are taking this approach already as you learned manual shifting first. Now as a next step, if you want to see your lap times dropping quicker I suggest to turn off traction control first. Turn exit on acceleration is much more important for a quick lap than turn entry on the brakes. Another advantage is that throttle control isn't really dependent on the choice of your controller (you didn't mention anything in your OP).

This choice CAN (i'll explain it later) have a huge influence on your brake control though....On a gamepad (triggers) or a wheel with standard pedals you apply the brake power by pushing the trigger down a certain distance, while on pressure based brakes (rubber or load-cell) brake power is being applied by pushing the pedal with a certain amount of force (like a real car brake). This makes it much easier for our muscle memory to apply the right amount of force for the respective corner. Sorry for going a bit too much into details, but it can have an important effect on your quest to become assist-less. Some people have absolutely no problem using distance based braking, others (including myself) are badly struggling with this method and only get good results with pressure based braking. Now the question is to what group you belong to ;) Should you find yourself struggling without making any real progress after turning of brake assists (welcome to my world) my suggestion would be to either turn ABS back on or get a pressure based brake system. I just want to save you some frustration in this regard. If you are one of those who can manage distance based braking then there's no immediate need to change your controller setup as it wont make you inevitably faster.

One thing you didnt mention is if you are using the race line or not. If yes, then please turn this thing off asap. With active race line you will become a slave of it and basically just stupidly following the line. While driving without suggested race line can be frustrating and time consuming on certain tracks, especially if you prefer short races, it will force you to "read" and understand the track and all its corners on your way to find the ideal race line. It also helps to learn driving without active assists and it will make you a better and faster driver in general. Additionally, in most games the suggested race line isn't really the quickest one, so this will gain you up to a few seconds per lap once you know the track in and out. 

Apart from that, have fun and dont give up because getting rid of assists can change your whole game experience significantly, its definitely worth all the hassle. 
Awesome post.

I drive with PS4 controller, set up #2 (shifting is l2/r2) and I do use race line.

I actually have a driving seat and a G27 that barely use for  previous F1 but gonna give for free to a coworker. It is taking dust right now. Maybe I should keep, but I do not want to pay 500 bucks for a G29

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Yeah, bloody hardware generation transfers, when your old trusty wheel suddenly gets useless, i hate it, sad moments :s

However, i'd never go back to a pad. When i got my first wheel i couldn't believe how much it changed immersion. It was a completely new game and basically the difference between playing or actually driving a race game. But yeah, it usually requires a hefty investment, not always justifiable especially if you cant find enough time to actually use it


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Pad. I played one race at Spa with no assists toward the end of 2010 with a mate and it felt so rewarding, even though I was like 3s slower to begin with. I think I started with manual gears halfway through 2010, then I just turned everything off at once when 2011 came out, went cold turkey and practiced tracks where I already knew the braking points etc and slowly build up from there.

It becomes second nature. Plus its better on the Xbox pads than PS4 IMO. The 360 pad I modded with a heavy duty right trigger spring for better control, more like a pedal.
The xbone pad can't do this as easily as different spring and trigger houses a motor, but the trigger rumble is helpful. PS4 pad not sure about.

If you can, wheel is probably the way to go if space isn't an issue! Unassisted Pad driving is a surefire way to end up arthritic lol

What woozie said about the line is true also. Racers who aren't using the line understand the track better and are in most cases better IMO at driving hard wheel to wheel whilst leaving space for the other car. With racing line on you're trained to go and stop when and where it says, and that means you are focused more on the red and green than car placement.

Plus the racing line is often pretty far off the optimal line, especially for awkward direction changes,  S bends etc.


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Woozie77 said:
Yeah, bloody hardware generation transfers, when your old trusty wheel suddenly gets useless, i hate it, sad moments :s

However, i'd never go back to a pad. When i got my first wheel i couldn't believe how much it changed immersion. It was a completely new game and basically the difference between playing or actually driving a race game. But yeah, it usually requires a hefty investment, not always justifiable especially if you cant find enough time to actually use it


Stop it! , lol ... you're making me change my mind, hahaha... 

I saw this one at Amazon. I guess the buttons are for shifting? Don't see a clutch. And don't know if it is backwards compatible or not.

I know, an actual wheel will help driving experience, not to mention it is more immerse, like you said.

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sorry  ;)

Looking at the picture it seems to have shifter paddles, no need to waste any buttons for this function. You only get a clutch pedal with the more expensive wheels unfortunately, even though you could map it to a button if the game allows it, but it wont really help as its going to be an on/off clutch....timing might be difficult with a button clutc. 

Keep in mind that this is a bungee-cord-wheel, so there wont be any force feedback or rumble effects. You wont find any FFB wheels in the sub-200 dollar price range unfortunately. 

No mother-in-law to sell for the wheel? ;)

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Woozie77 said:
sorry  ;)

Looking at the picture it seems to have shifter paddles, no need to waste any buttons for this function. You only get a clutch pedal with the more expensive wheels unfortunately, even though you could map it to a button if the game allows it, but it wont really help as its going to be an on/off clutch....timing might be difficult with a button clutc. 

Keep in mind that this is a bungee-cord-wheel, so there wont be any force feedback or rumble effects. You wont find any FFB wheels in the sub-200 dollar price range unfortunately. 

No mother-in-law to sell for the wheel? ;)
So... should I invest the money on that one? Yeah, the G27 is/was a nice wheel, but does not work with the PS4. Maybe I should stick to the PS4 controller. I play soccer games too, so F1 is not the only game I have or play; the racing chair will go on and off the room because that, which is a pain and the reason why is taking dust. 

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good question, but given that this one comes without FFB you might be better off by staying on gamepad, that gives you at least some rumble feedback. 

Yeah if you dont have dedicated room for your race rig its a pain. I was in the same situation, thats why i got a fold-able raceseat (Playseat challenge)...takes seconds to fold/unfold....but i'll stop now, dont want to talk you into this one :D

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Woozie77 said:
good question, but given that this one comes without FFB you might be better off by staying on gamepad, that gives you at least some rumble feedback. 

Yeah if you dont have dedicated room for your race rig its a pain. I was in the same situation, thats why i got a fold-able raceseat (Playseat challenge)...takes seconds to fold/unfold....but i'll stop now, dont want to talk you into this one :D
I'm the one with the pants in my house, not my wife, or at least, that's what I believe, lol... is not actually like that in real life, ha. So I have an area that is dedicated for my console and TV, etc. The problem that I was having is that the racing chair was giving me horrible back pain (not a chair problem, I can really put insane hours gaming) So I went to an expensive chair and moved away the racing chair. But after that, moving in and out was a pain. I can't move the new chair so easily. So I basically had to choose between a nice comfortable chair that works for 90% of the games... or a racing chair that works for F1 only.

I guess is doable to play decent with zero assistance and ps4 controller, I just need to practice more.

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be smooth and try to just hit every apex and then you can try to push your car! :)

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