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Childreeen! I got a lil' something for yaaa! I'll gather some feedback then maybe I'll share some knowledge (softcore). Some will figure out what happened here, but I'm not saying right now also just to add some drama. :) What do you think? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq_S7Q5CwHw TADAAA! :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO1cwurH86U
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 Bongomaster said:
If you've  modified the sound files yourself,then great work!
He's taking advantage of the fact that the last few codies games all use the ego engine and the same file structure so you can just plug in sounds, models, physics etc. from other games and often have it work right away. It's kinda cool you can swap in engine sounds you like but generally the sounds in DR are already awesome. They have had to compromise in some places where they can't get the right cars to record tho.

I wonder if the same people made the grid autosport sounds? Talking to you sfx buddy, also you mention the source for the escort in game, what is that, out of curiosity. If you're allowed to say :P
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 Bongomaster said:
If you've  modified the sound files yourself,then great work!
He's taking advantage of the fact that the last few codies games all use the ego engine and the same file structure so you can just plug in sounds, models, physics etc. from other games and often have it work right away. It's kinda cool you can swap in engine sounds you like but generally the sounds in DR are already awesome. They have had to compromise in some places where they can't get the right cars to record tho.

I wonder if the same people made the grid autosport sounds? Talking to you sfx buddy, also you mention the source for the escort in game, what is that, out of curiosity. If you're allowed to say :P
Yeah Ricky's swapped out a .bdl file -  nothing wrong with that except DR engines are better quality - more content in the assets and PCM vs ADPCM, so not compressed in any way.

Same people who did Autosport you ask... kinda. I did Dirt2, Dirt3, F1 2010, F1 2011 engines on my own... trained up another sound designer to help out with engines on Showdown, got even more help for Grid2... and then part way through Autosport left to do DR on my own, the other two guys helped out briefly when AS was finished before moving onto other projects. It's just me on DR now, specifically doing engines that is.

Oh the escort is in fact Colin's Sierra. It's doesn't sound that great really, so would love to find a better vehicle for the Escort RS.
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 Bongomaster said:
If you've  modified the sound files yourself,then great work!
He's taking advantage of the fact that the last few codies games all use the ego engine and the same file structure so you can just plug in sounds, models, physics etc. from other games and often have it work right away. It's kinda cool you can swap in engine sounds you like but generally the sounds in DR are already awesome. They have had to compromise in some places where they can't get the right cars to record tho.

I wonder if the same people made the grid autosport sounds? Talking to you sfx buddy, also you mention the source for the escort in game, what is that, out of curiosity. If you're allowed to say :P
Yeah Ricky's swapped out a .bdl file -  nothing wrong with that except DR engines are better quality - more content in the assets and PCM vs ADPCM, so not compressed in any way.

Same people who did Autosport you ask... kinda. I did Dirt2, Dirt3, F1 2010, F1 2011 engines on my own... trained up another sound designer to help out with engines on Showdown, got even more help for Grid2... and then part way through Autosport left to do DR on my own, the other two guys helped out briefly when AS was finished before moving onto other projects. It's just me on DR now, specifically doing engines that is.

Oh the escort is in fact Colin's Sierra. It's doesn't sound that great really, so would love to find a better vehicle for the Escort RS.
@soundfx Yep, that's right! just renamed the Focus ST file to 4cyl_tb_cossie_ers_dd.bdl. I see you voted for "original is better" lol. I'd do the same in your position, specially since I'm not 40% happy with the final outcome of my swap...

... The Escort sound has a much higher pitch (3:15, 3:20), much much much more roar (3:30), crackles and bangs in red revs and gear changes (3:15, 3:20). It also sounds like it has a blown exhaust (2:30, 2:45... but that doesn't surprise me. The audio is beeing recorded from the right side and the Escort '93 has the exhaust pointing that side) ...

... but still, I choose the Focus ST because the low-mid revs are something alike (compare 0:20~0:25 from my video to 3:30~3:40 from the real Escort). Now let's face it, soundfx... the Sierra sound has nothing to do with the Escorts. I'm by no means saying it's your fault of something. Without a proper sample everyone would be very very handicaped.

And yes, I agree that DR sound samples are much better than Autosport ones (just for comparison, the Focus ST file has 1.5MB... the Escort has ~7MB).

After the 555, I'm praying that the next car to get a engine sound upgrade will be the Escort. To me, it's the most iconic rally car ever. After the Escort, I'd love to see the 037 (c'mon, we're killing the car without that supercharger whine!) get some sugar. Then, the S4 and last, but not least, the 90s Delta.

All other cars have pretty pretty decent sounds to me, with special mentions to the Audi Sport Quattro, the 306, the M3 and all the 70s cars (well done!).

To sum things up, at the end of the day, I would just love to learn how to use Wwyse to help you, soundfx, and Codies to get the most realistic sounds on a rally game... :smile: 
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 Now let's face it, soundfx... the Sierra sound has nothing to do with the Escorts. I'm by no means saying it's your fault of something. Without a proper sample everyone would be very very handicaped.
I personally wouldn't agree with this statement; the Sierra Cosworth and Escort RS both used Cossie YB's. Much closer match for engine than a modern Focus touring car (in my personal opinion).
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 Now let's face it, soundfx... the Sierra sound has nothing to do with the Escorts. I'm by no means saying it's your fault of something. Without a proper sample everyone would be very very handicaped.
I personally wouldn't agree with this statement; the Sierra Cosworth and Escort RS both used Cossie YB's. Much closer match for engine than a modern Focus touring car (in my personal opinion).
Ok, lets raise the bar a little bit... :smile: 

@tbtstt I agree and disagree with you.

Colins Cossie must had this engine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1DmsfPlR8o

BUT! If you check this Sierra Cossie @0:00 to 0:46, you will hear that this engine has more roar, as listened in the Escort. But from 0:47 to 1:19, you'll notice that it has the same pitch as the previous mentioned video. Maybe Colins Sierra had that engine (and if so, kudos to soundfx! The translation is perfect, and I extend my special mentions to the Sierra, congrats!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCl97SIpijA

From that 1:19 onwards, it's a completely different sound. Group A and Group N cars had many differences, and that may include exhaust modifications that would change the sound completely. So maybe they had the same engine, but the exhaust system where very different... :smile: 

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Group A and Group N cars had many differences, and that may include exhaust modifications that would change the sound completely. So maybe they had the same engine, but the exhaust system where very different... :smile: 

I fully agree with you @RickyMcHawk ! You are absolutely correct in that the exhaust configuration can make a huge difference to exhaust note. I know McRae (Colin) used both Group A and Group N Sierras at various points in his career, so it would be interesting to know exactly which car @soundfx recorded.

At its heart though, the EscCos was heavily based on the Sierra running gear and mechanics, which is why I personally believe that, although it probably isn't an exact match, the Sierra is a much better basis for engine note than a modern Touring Car with a different block, different configuration and modern ignition. 


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Group A and Group N cars had many differences, and that may include exhaust modifications that would change the sound completely. So maybe they had the same engine, but the exhaust system where very different... :smile: 

I fully agree with you @RickyMcHawk ! You are absolutely correct in that the exhaust configuration can make a huge difference to exhaust note. I know McRae (Colin) used both Group A and Group N Sierras at various points in his career, so it would be interesting to know exactly which car @soundfx recorded.

At its heart though, the EscCos was heavily based on the Sierra running gear and mechanics, which is why I personally believe that, although it probably isn't an exact match, the Sierra is a much better basis for engine note than a modern Touring Car with a different block, different configuration and modern ignition. 


Going off the sound it must have been Group N... with additional silencers!  
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the top ones is not bad but i think the bangs should be louder and chirp slightly more pronounced thing is many people moan about the chirpy sounds when so pronounced like on the fiesta 2010.

obviously the different views make so much difference.
i play in bonnet view only and you cant hear so much a lot of the engine/exuast noises.

soundfx did say he was going to let the noise bleed through to the bonnet view which would be nice. B)
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