GRID Autosport Feedback

[sjsharp2010]

CaptainJack said:

I hope Loore likes this thread as much as I do.

Virtually every post is well thought out, sensible, and of great value . . . CM has a goldmine here of useable information to create a better game . . .
~O)

I think the majority of the threads do but there are 1 or 2 you could say moany threads which don't really offer anything. I think there is always going to be 1 or 2 of those anyway because this or that feature was left out  or whatever and asking why. Some people don't realise thqat when you schedule something like putting together a new game you can't include everything.

[Myenia]

Some multiplayer stuff :

- if someone becomes a ghost (mainly after corner cutting), if another player happens to be "inside" this ghost when it becomes material, his car will be heavily damaged or wrecked : it ruins his race while he was purely innocent. If a ghost could stay immaterial for several seconds if another car is in close proximity to him, it would prevent some injustified crashes.

- for clubs, it would be great for each member to have his own number, instead of using the same one for everyone. Do you find it normal in a race to have 12 n°28 for example ? xD

- I have some issues with fine-tuning packs (for example with the C63 AMG and the Panspeed RX7). It seems that these won't save after I buy them, and I have to buy them each time I restart the game, and this means money wasted. I'd like to know if a fix for this is planned.

- Speaking of money : while I know what stuff can be expensive, the incomes are too low. It would be a great idea to either reduce prices for repairs and upgrades, or to increase payouts at the end of each race, as well as increasing sponsors' money bonuses. This would be more realistic (as sponsors are the main sources of money in motor sports), and it would give them some real purpose : earning 1k for doing something quite long (ie having 12x the best lap) is near pointless.

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For solo playing, this is great, not much to say. =)
Just for fun, being able to have his own custom livery to use in soloplayer custom cups. Some people might want to know how each car would look with a particular livery (for club racing, for example). This would be an opportunity for them to preview their stuff on every car in the game. And by the way, it would mean that entitled solo players would still have the opportunity to drive from time to time a car with their own colors.

[MightyQuin]

Myenia said:

- for clubs, it would be great for each member to have his own number, instead of using the same one for everyone. Do you find it normal in a race to have 12 n°28 for example ? xD

Not only the car number - it would be useful to be able to modify sponsors too to suit the events you enter for the team.

[Photonik]

(When) are lapped drivers ghosted?

I recently did an online race over 9 laps, AI was turned on (medium I think). I led the race by far and on lap 6 or 7 I started lapping the backrunners. When I got near them, they were NOT ghosted so I really feared for a sure victory. Only AFTER I passed them I've seen when looking back, that they were ghosted. Luckily it was only the AI I had to overtake, so they generously got out of my way.

I don't think, 'real' people would do that, especially those way behind, probably with a mediocre impact rating. Isn't there any way to ghost the 'soon to be lapped' when I approach them? 

I remember this from GRID. Some idiots racing backwards... they were not yet lapped and managed to actually hit the leading car. Only after one passed him he was ghosted.

It's not a pressing problem, as I hardly do such long races, but still something to look into.

[TheKazzyMac]

Lapped drivers don't ghost until after first place laps them. generally this -does- give them the opportunity to be complete tools to whoever's in first place but except for SHEZZAN (who's a tool anyway) everyone I've had to lap has been complacent enough to simply get out of the way.

I do second the idea of Club cars having their own numbers. I was thoroughly disappointed to find out I couldn't change it to my own number in-game (#35). This is something I assumed it would do automatically, even if it was a random number assigned via RaceNet itself, but no, everyone in the club has the same number and it's a bit unnecessary.

[CaptainJack]

It would be nice to clear up this selling and re-buying of the same car.

Presently, if you sell a levelled up car and buy the same car again you have to start from scratch.

It has been said that you shouldn't have to do this, that the new car will come with all levels of the one sold.

Which is correct ?
~O)

[sjsharp2010]

TheKazzyMac said:

Lapped drivers don't ghost until after first place laps them. generally this -does- give them the opportunity to be complete tools to whoever's in first place but except for SHEZZAN (who's a tool anyway) everyone I've had to lap has been complacent enough to simply get out of the way.

I do second the idea of Club cars having their own numbers. I was thoroughly disappointed to find out I couldn't change it to my own number in-game (#35). This is something I assumed it would do automatically, even if it was a random number assigned via RaceNet itself, but no, everyone in the club has the same number and it's a bit unnecessary.

same here when lapping the AI backmarkers they do usually just get out of the way and let you get on with it. I found that a little stranfge a tfirst given the F1 AI never did that seems to do everything it can to block you half the time.

[mcnab]

CaptainJack said:

It would be nice to clear up this selling and re-buying of the same car.

Presently, if you sell a levelled up car and buy the same car again you have to start from scratch.

It has been said that you shouldn't have to do this, that the new car will come with all levels of the one sold.

Which is correct ?
~O)

i have had to start from scratch on 2 of my cars

[FurnaceInferno]

Something is up with the racenet challenges, I've completed them all with a platinum but only the endurance event gave me the platinum cash/xp bonus, the party mode one didn't give me anything at all, just went straight back to the challenges page!

So now I'm down on XP for those events which is rather annoying but I'm guessing nothing can be done to retroactively add it now. There is also a questionable person on the leaderboards massively faster than everyone else, now perhaps the upgrades make a big difference but given they have only played for 24hrs I would question how they possibly bought and levelled up that many cars to 50 to unlock the upgrades. Now perhaps I missed something and using cheat engine et al. is ok if you are only doing it to unlock everything but I'm pretty sure it's not.

[tatasandbeer]

Thanks again codemasters i am so mad third freaking damn corrupt save game i will never ever ever preorder any of your games again grid autosport belongs on the $1.99 shelf at the dollar store u big companies should take better pride in your work instead of releasing games so fast just to get your 50 dollars biggest waste of money in a long time for me i don't care u have a patch coming out by the i'll believe it when my save game is fixed when the patch releases what a bad joke and ps your ps3 release sucks great game to bad it is a big pile of programing crap

[Photonik]

tatasandbeer said:

Thanks again codemasters i am so mad third freaking damn corrupt save game i will never ever ever preorder any of your games again grid autosport belongs on the $1.99 shelf at the dollar store u big companies should take better pride in your work instead of releasing games so fast just to get your 50 dollars biggest waste of money in a long time for me i don't care u have a patch coming out by the i'll believe it when my save game is fixed when the patch releases what a bad joke and ps your ps3 release sucks great game to bad it is a big pile of programing crap

Awesome! You managed to write five lines without a single stop or comma. How do you expect anyone to read that and take it serious? To cite you... 'this is a big pile of written crap' :D

To your problem... did you disable steam cloud for the game? that is supposed to help... so far I still have the same save, nothing's corrupt.

TheKazzyMac said:

Lapped drivers don't ghost until after first place laps them. generally this -does- give them the opportunity to be complete tools to whoever's in first place but except for SHEZZAN (who's a tool anyway) everyone I've had to lap has been complacent enough to simply get out of the way.

Thanks for clarifying that. It's probably the easiest way to code, still it's not a very desireable solution. Bad timing and the 2nd has a big advantage while the 1st might get hit or simply held up. But ok, very rare occasion, so who cares... ^^

[sjsharp2010]

Photonik said:

tatasandbeer said:

Thanks again codemasters i am so mad third freaking damn corrupt save game i will never ever ever preorder any of your games again grid autosport belongs on the $1.99 shelf at the dollar store u big companies should take better pride in your work instead of releasing games so fast just to get your 50 dollars biggest waste of money in a long time for me i don't care u have a patch coming out by the i'll believe it when my save game is fixed when the patch releases what a bad joke and ps your ps3 release sucks great game to bad it is a big pile of programing crap

Awesome! You managed to write five lines without a single stop or comma. How do you expect anyone to read that and take it serious? To cite you... 'this is a big pile of written crap' :D

To your problem... did you disable steam cloud for the game? that is supposed to help... so far I still have the same save, nothing's corrupt.

TheKazzyMac said:

Lapped drivers don't ghost until after first place laps them. generally this -does- give them the opportunity to be complete tools to whoever's in first place but except for SHEZZAN (who's a tool anyway) everyone I've had to lap has been complacent enough to simply get out of the way.

Thanks for clarifying that. It's probably the easiest way to code, still it's not a very desireable solution. Bad timing and the 2nd has a big advantage while the 1st might get hit or simply held up. But ok, very rare occasion, so who cares... ^^

it sys there he's on PS3 so he wouldn't be using Steam. Steam only applies to PC users.

[Photonik]

sjsharp2010 said:

it sys there he's on PS3 so he wouldn't be using Steam. Steam only applies to PC users.

That wasn't clear for me. He just bumped words one after another. He said for $50... and honestly, until I saw it just now I didn't expect a console game being so cheap (in germany it's 60€! for PS3, that's 162%!!!), so I assumed he was playing on PC and simply mentioned, that he doesn't like the PS3-Version either. :D

[sjsharp2010]

Photonik said:

sjsharp2010 said:

it sys there he's on PS3 so he wouldn't be using Steam. Steam only applies to PC users.

That wasn't clear for me. He just bumped words one after another. He said for $50... and honestly, until I saw it just now I didn't expect a console game being so cheap (in germany it's 60€! for PS3, that's 162%!!!), so I assumed he was playing on PC and simply mentioned, that he doesn't like the PS3-Version either. :D

well it says Ps3 in the post so I assume he's talkimg about the PS3 and PS3 doesn't use steam it uses the PSN network when online as far as I know. I didn't see any mention of PC

[Kaerar]

CaptainJack said:

It would be nice to clear up this selling and re-buying of the same car.

Presently, if you sell a levelled up car and buy the same car again you have to start from scratch.

It has been said that you shouldn't have to do this, that the new car will come with all levels of the one sold.

Which is correct ?
~O)

I'll second that. I'd really hate to lose lots of time and effort put into a car just because the game arbitrarily causes it to become crap. I can understand the damage factor (repairs are already there) but causing it to just become a waste of money over time, it's not really accurate or even useful in the sense of the game GRID AS is trying to be.

[langoorji]

I've been playing this game as a single player for a while now and is really enjoying it. After some tweaking to adjust force feedback, the game play is excellent balance of simulation and racing with AI is for sure challenging and improved as marketed. Even the blurry cockpit does not bother me at all. The cockpit camera angle overall adds to the atmosphere of being in a car.

Positive remarks from me to developers for creating a wonderful game. :-bd

Please add LAN support as a patch/DLC if possible so we keep enjoying this even when servers are turned off.

[gor]

langoorji said:

Please add LAN support as a patch/DLC if possible so we keep enjoying this even when servers are turned off.

yaya, ofc.

just buy it and forget about tunngle(or whatever), lol

[Zalex]

Sorry about this big monolith chunk of text, the forum dont seem to like my iPad and drop spaces and line jumps... :( Yesterday night I started a 5 race championchip with friends and some bots. All was great and pointage were well display BUT the most important one, the LAST ! When it came time to see final results of the hole 5 races, we got a partial score board of only the human racers, no more bots results, guys that left had scores removed from screens and it was not in order... It was shown only as a reference of point made by guys playing for the Next race to start, becaut it cycle another 5 races right away. There should be a full scoreboard of the 5 races, with an options to screen capture it for shooting score on facebook or just save it on concole or PC, then a switch to next races... Having scoreboards automaticaly done in game is a must for events organizers like me, but if final result is useless it destroy the concept. It need a little tweek to be absolutly perfect. :) Make my day guys, fix it ! :) Zalex on PSN ZalexQc on codemaster Pres of RS Motor Club

[Loore]

CaptainJack said:

It would be nice to clear up this selling and re-buying of the same car.

Presently, if you sell a levelled up car and buy the same car again you have to start from scratch.

It has been said that you shouldn't have to do this, that the new car will come with all levels of the one sold.

Which is correct ?
~O)

Your levels reset but you should have the upgrades already unlocked (you'll still need to apply them).

[TURBODEVIN19]

I just won my first Cup Event in career mode (finally, playing on very hard). But the achievement didn't unlock. It was a Mini Cup Event in Touring. 

Besides this the progress from achievements doesn't seem to update either. Online levels are all on 1 (or 5 for the combined achievement).

Edit: Steam btw.

[mcnab]

Loore said:

CaptainJack said:

It would be nice to clear up this selling and re-buying of the same car.

Presently, if you sell a levelled up car and buy the same car again you have to start from scratch.

It has been said that you shouldn't have to do this, that the new car will come with all levels of the one sold.

Which is correct ?
~O)

Your levels reset but you should have the upgrades already unlocked (you'll still need to apply them).

This is not the case @Loore for me, i have unlocked everything for the ST Focus Touring car and yet my new purchase will not allow me to add my upgrades or vehicle tuning,

Even if this was the case can we clarify if it is the high mileage/car level/tuning or upgrades that starts the repair costs to spiral out of control....maybe they all have a part to play???


:-bd

[MiatakiasGR]

Hey Loore what about you make a harcore all disciplines playlist (no flashbacks , full damage , full colision etc)?? @-)  . Many players dont use brakes because of the 5 flashbacks...especially first corner in any race with many players in lobby is a mess.. Its better also to make default flahsbacks 0 , in custom cups... L-)

[Myenia]

Loore said:

Your levels reset but you should have the upgrades already unlocked (you'll still need to apply them).

This is weird, I've sold my Panspeed RX7 (all upgrades acquired, bought, applied), bought another one, and I had nothing unlocked on it at all.

[kubica4]

This game is dying! !!!! £40 an I cant go an record my best times!!!!!!! Theres no heart 2 the game forza is built around time trials! !!!!! Why is there no racenet challenges built into the game instead ov just weekly ones????? Damage in all the online hoppers is killing that aswell not a single open wheel lobby to play :/

[MiatakiasGR]

what does it die , GAS?? Only thing that is dying  is the career of kubica after his accident that seems to be your favorite driver ...ahahaha =))

[TheKazzyMac]

I think if GAS is dying it's because of that damn save-file corruption.

I'm pretty sure once it's fixed people will come back to the game. I know at least like 10 people on my friends list alone who will pick it back up once they won't lose their save files.

Worryingly though, finding Endurance races is near-impossible. Am I the only one who likes Endurance even if I'm not really that good at it?

[sjsharp2010]

TheKazzyMac said:

I think if GAS is dying it's because of that damn save-file corruption.

I'm pretty sure once it's fixed people will come back to the game. I know at least like 10 people on my friends list alone who will pick it back up once they won't lose their save files.

Worryingly though, finding Endurance races is near-impossible. Am I the only one who likes Endurance even if I'm not really that good at it?

no I wouldn't say that I quite like the Endurance discipline myself I thought I'd be better at it than I am though. As you said though once the corrupted saves are fixed maybe you'll find people willing to race them.

[Photonik]

Strange damage 'calculation'.

I just had a silly situation in CatC at Mount Panorama. Right at the start after the first corner I got 'sandwiched', or 'arrowed', whatever you might call it. :D

On my right there was a car half on grass, half on track and about a 3rd or half a car length in front of me, exactly the same on my left side. When the grass-runner tried to get on the track, he pushed me left, into the other car and himself 45° in front of me, same happended with the left car. So viewing from top this must have looked like an arrow. :D

We drove about 2 seconds this way until I decided, that I maybe should back down.

Well, I think in real life, nothing bad would have happend. Tires ruined for the other ones, a little bit bended metal for all of us, as there was no impact, simply touching and then pushing.

Instead my car was totally wrecked afterwards, though looking fine... but engine, suspension, all red. So I assume, damage is calculated by 'touching-time' aswell as maybe impact. Otherwise I can't explain to myself, how that messed up my race so bad, without anything really happening.

If so, please fix it. Yes, this might be a rare occasion, still less damage is better than too much for nothing.

[Operator1]

I haven't read through this entire thread, but here are my initial impressions after playing Grid AutoSport on the Xbox 360 for a couple weeks (copied-&-pasted from a post of mine on another thread, just in case this thread gets more exposure internally at CodeMasters)...

Grid AutoSport is nearly the perfect kind of authentic international motorsport experience I've been looking for in a "simcade" console game. Bravo, CodeMasters!

My only significant annoyance so far is the wildly unsportsmanlike AI drivers. I definitely appreciate the impressive levels of awareness & competitiveness built-in to the AI competitors (truly great work on that, CodeMasters!), but too often they blatantly cross the line from "professionally competitive" to "dirty cut-throat recklessness." Every race seems like a demolition derby...

...They'll make crazy swerves off their lines just to block or smack into me...

...When I start making a run on the inside or outside, they'll clip my rear quarter panel just as I'm about to complete the pass, putting me into a spin...

...When they're behind me, they'll avoid braking for turns just to plow into me from behind...

...They'll brake-check me on corner-entry, then take their sweet time accelerating again on corner-exit...

It can really take the fun out of attempting competitive times in the RaceNet challenges with such relentlessly unsportsmanlike AI drivers.

If players get the impression from AI drivers that this is how we're supposed to race, then it's no wonder public lobbies can get so crazy.

A few other things that would make a great game even better for me...

On the console (Xbox 360), the controller inputs feel more twitchy to me than other driving games feel. I find it difficult to be as smooth as I'd like to be with my steering, throttle, & braking. I wish the inputs weren't quite so sensitive (or better yet, it'd be cool if sensitivity was adjustable).

It would also be great to have a solo "test drive" and/or "hot-lap" mode for practicing & getting a better feel for the cars & tracks, without any other cars on the track & without having to worry about repair costs.

The single-player career could use some more substance: it looks to be nothing more than a long structured list of events to complete, and the only reward for doing anything is XP (experience) points that only serve to unlock more events. There's nothing at all (that I've found) to show for any of your single-player career progress. Of course the racing is fun, but the "career" is just a treadmill that goes nowhere.

I think the in-game economy online would benefit from an overhaul too: costs are too high & award payouts are too low.

The in-game online leaderboards do not work properly, and I'd really like to see that fixed very soon.

I hope CodeMasters continues to support & improve this game so I can enjoy Grid AutoSport for a long time.

[kubica4]

MiatakiasGR hahahahaha think he won wrc2 last year an is in his 1st full year in the wrc :p still slaps half the driving world with a severed hand hahahahaha :D BRT R Kubica 4 : 6 years ov online racing games if ever iv seen a failure its gas no content for hardcore gamers tut tut tut

[MiatakiasGR]

ok kubica is good driver , i remember him when he was in f1 he was fast! Gas has much content for hardcore gamers but the problem is that most of players online set noob settings like DD with flashbacks and damage visual only  8-| , most host enable flashbacks (5) or the AI that in many cases its cause of mess in start of races .. b-( ... We need harcore playlist (no flashbacks) of in custom lobbies to be default flashbacks 0 ... L-) 

[kubica4]

Theres no content 2 this game!!!! If I dont want to race people online or do a racenet challenge then im stuck in career???? Did you know that you cant start a race in an online lobby unless you hav a 2nd person!!!! Must ov sat there combined an hour waiting for someone an I cant even hav a hotlap while I wait ppiisssshh game thats why!!!

[CaptainJack]

~O)

[CaptainJack]

[Vertigo1]

Still staggered at how utterly useless the AI is - one of the worst I've ever seen in a racing game.

You've fallen into the usual trap when trying to make "harder" or "more competitive" AI cars - make them more aggressive.  The result is a game of dodgems.

Played a supercar street race earlier on reverse San Fran track I think it was and every single race there was a pileup at the first corner without fail.  When the AI is so aggressive that it can't even get all the cars round the first corner without a huge crash then it's totally broken.

Sick and tired of endless restarts due to AI cars smashing into me just because I dared to be on their precious racing line.  If you try to be just as aggressive then you always come off worse.

Hopeless.

[sjsharp2010]

Vertigo1 said:

Still staggered at how utterly useless the AI is - one of the worst I've ever seen in a racing game.

You've fallen into the usual trap when trying to make "harder" or "more competitive" AI cars - make them more aggressive.  The result is a game of dodgems.

Played a supercar street race earlier on reverse San Fran track I think it was and every single race there was a pileup at the first corner without fail.  When the AI is so aggressive that it can't even get all the cars round the first corner without a huge crash then it's totally broken.

Sick and tired of endless restarts due to AI cars smashing into me just because I dared to be on their precious racing line.  If you try to be just as aggressive then you always come off worse.

Hopeless.

I would say Grid 2's was worse at least for me. Yes the AI is still aggressive sometimes but it's nowhere near as bad as in the previous Grid games IMO

[Vertigo1]

Maybe I'm remembering the older games more favourably than I should but the AI in this is a joke.  I've just raged from my umpteenth game due to being punted off the track by an AI car for no reason.

[CaptainJack]

LOORE:

Cornwall is no longer a County of England but a minority country in its own right, the same as; Wales, Scotland, and N.Ireland.

We have always had our own flag and tartan, see: yer tis, in my sig.

So, plz can we have our flag of St. Pirran included in the game.

This is not a trifling matter, for decades we have fought for this status, and the Welsh, Scots, and Irish flag without a Cornish flag amounts to prejudice on a National scale . . .
~O)

[CaptainJack]

The game introduces massive understeer in certain places on certain tracks - this is the kind of thing a selective beta would have picked up on.

On Okutama GP as you start up the hill around the long right hander is one I have noticed, and on Istanbul B, just as you come around the final right hander to the home straight the understeer is worse than in Grid 1, which makes me wonder if some of that code was used in the making of it ?
~O)

[Assiemodis]

CaptainJack said:

LOORE:

Cornwall is no longer a County of England but a minority country in its own right, the same as; Wales, Scotland, and N.Ireland.

We have always had our own flag and tartan, see: yer tis, in my sig.

So, plz can we have our flag of St. Pirran included in the game.

This is not a trifling matter, for decades we have fought for this status, and the Welsh, Scots, and Irish flag without a Cornish flag amounts to prejudice on a National scale . . .
~O)

Yeah I agree give the man his flag.  :)

[Britpoint]

CaptainJack said:

The game introduces massive understeer in certain places on certain tracks - this is the kind of thing a selective beta would have picked up on.

On Okutama GP as you start up the hill around the long right hander is one I have noticed, and on Istanbul B, just as you come around the final right hander to the home straight the understeer is worse than in Grid 1, which makes me wonder if some of that code was used in the making of it ?
~O)

Well I can't be 100% certain, but they're both pretty steep inclines aren't they? My suspicion is that gravity is moving the weight more over the rear wheels resulting in a loss of front grip. Not the nicest handling trait in the world when you get it for sure, but don't think it's something we'd want to 'fix'. :)

[mikevoltz1]

@Loore, would like to see XP points for length of Race. Since it is in Difficulty and the Length of a Race can directly affect the difficulty. Longer races require longer periods of focus, and lead to many more opportunities for mistakes, especially if Ravenwest is on your rear bumper for 18 laps. 

Also hope you can tweak the Payout-Repair cost for Online. Thanks.

PS. Rearview Mirror is a must. The AI has mirrors because they block like Fernado Alonso 

[Workhorse9696]

mikevoltz1 said:

@Loore, would like to see XP points for length of Race. Since it is in Difficulty and the Length of a Race can directly affect the difficulty. Longer races require longer periods of focus, and lead to many more opportunities for mistakes, especially if Ravenwest is on your rear bumper for 18 laps. 

Also hope you can tweak the Payout-Repair cost for Online. Thanks.

PS. Rearview Mirror is a must. The AI has mirrors because they block like Fernado Alonso 

I manage to successfully block the AI including the RW guys all the time just using the white arrow markers.

[sjsharp2010]

Workhorse9696 said:

mikevoltz1 said:

@Loore, would like to see XP points for length of Race. Since it is in Difficulty and the Length of a Race can directly affect the difficulty. Longer races require longer periods of focus, and lead to many more opportunities for mistakes, especially if Ravenwest is on your rear bumper for 18 laps. 

Also hope you can tweak the Payout-Repair cost for Online. Thanks.

PS. Rearview Mirror is a must. The AI has mirrors because they block like Fernado Alonso 

I manage to successfully block the AI including the RW guys all the time just using the white arrow markers.

So do I most of the time.

[Workhorse9696]

sjsharp2010 said:

Vertigo1 said:

Still staggered at how utterly useless the AI is - one of the worst I've ever seen in a racing game.

You've fallen into the usual trap when trying to make "harder" or "more competitive" AI cars - make them more aggressive.  The result is a game of dodgems.

Played a supercar street race earlier on reverse San Fran track I think it was and every single race there was a pileup at the first corner without fail.  When the AI is so aggressive that it can't even get all the cars round the first corner without a huge crash then it's totally broken.

Sick and tired of endless restarts due to AI cars smashing into me just because I dared to be on their precious racing line.  If you try to be just as aggressive then you always come off worse.

Hopeless.

I would say Grid 2's was worse at least for me. Yes the AI is still aggressive sometimes but it's nowhere near as bad as in the previous Grid games IMO

Totally agree about Grid 2 but I think a lot of that was also down to the collision impact between 2 cars being too extreme. My philosophy is to treat the AI players the same way I treat real players online and 5 seasons in playing on Hard I don't think I've had one overly aggressive move made on me for no reason. We trade paint and give each other little knocks but I'm not experiencing this overly aggressive AI. An example is if I brake late for a corner and go wide and I know the AI behind me are right on my tail, I don't then try and move back on to the racing line as I know the AI will be taking that line faster than me and I made the mistake, so I let them pass on the inside and then I slot back in behind them, this is how I play online. I suspect people complaining about aggressive AI expect the AI to always give in to the player, even if the player is driving badly, and when the AI don't give in to the player, they complain.

[sjsharp2010]

Workhorse9696 said:

sjsharp2010 said:

Vertigo1 said:

Still staggered at how utterly useless the AI is - one of the worst I've ever seen in a racing game.

You've fallen into the usual trap when trying to make "harder" or "more competitive" AI cars - make them more aggressive.  The result is a game of dodgems.

Played a supercar street race earlier on reverse San Fran track I think it was and every single race there was a pileup at the first corner without fail.  When the AI is so aggressive that it can't even get all the cars round the first corner without a huge crash then it's totally broken.

Sick and tired of endless restarts due to AI cars smashing into me just because I dared to be on their precious racing line.  If you try to be just as aggressive then you always come off worse.

Hopeless.

I would say Grid 2's was worse at least for me. Yes the AI is still aggressive sometimes but it's nowhere near as bad as in the previous Grid games IMO

Totally agree about Grid 2 but I think a lot of that was also down to the collision impact between 2 cars being too extreme. My philosophy is to treat the AI players the same way I treat real players online and 5 seasons in playing on Hard I don't think I've had one overly aggressive move made on me for no reason. We trade paint and give each other little knocks but I'm not experiencing this overly aggressive AI. An example is if I brake late for a corner and go wide and I know the AI behind me are right on my tail, I don't then try and move back on to the racing line as I know the AI will be taking that line faster than me and I made the mistake, so I let them pass on the inside and then I slot back in behind them, this is how I play online. I suspect people complaining about aggressive AI expect the AI to always give in to the player, even if the player is driving badly, and when the AI don't give in to the player, they complain.

That's my philosophy too generally Yes CM have made games with somewhat over aggressive AI both F1 2013 and Grid 2 were prime examples of that  In general though I've found CM's AI to be pretty good challenging and always ready to challenge you if you make a mistake but never too aggressive. The AI seems to me does act in a similar way to what I would say a real driver would in each discipline too.

 This has been the case with the F1 games as well. I admit sometimes they are a little bit unbalanced and by that they can be slightly easier to beat at some tracks than others. But that might also depend on the players skills too so we can't necessarily read into that too much..  I find them quite easy to beat at CM's Autosport raceway for example whereas Hockenheim and sometimes the Algarve track they can be quite challenging.

[kubica4]

It dosnt matter how nice you b with them they dont hav a brain!!!!! Going around the outside ov the pack in an oval is legit but the ai on the inside just drilled me in the wall asif I wasnt even there :p lolllll

[CaptainJack]

Britpoint said:

CaptainJack said:

The game introduces massive understeer in certain places on certain tracks - this is the kind of thing a selective beta would have picked up on.

On Okutama GP as you start up the hill around the long right hander is one I have noticed, and on Istanbul B, just as you come around the final right hander to the home straight the understeer is worse than in Grid 1, which makes me wonder if some of that code was used in the making of it ?
~O)

Well I can't be 100% certain, but they're both pretty steep inclines aren't they? My suspicion is that gravity is moving the weight more over the rear wheels resulting in a loss of front grip. Not the nicest handling trait in the world when you get it for sure, but don't think it's something we'd want to 'fix'. :)

That argument might stand for Okatuma, but the corner at Istanbul B is virtually flat . . .after coming down into the last right hander the road flattens before the bend . .I can remember in Grid 1 that we would go out far left onto the run off area to curve the bend because of this massive understeer if you tried to take it on the racing line. The only other way was to virtually stop and crawl around.

Now, whilst I have your attention, about my Flag of St Pirran ? . .
~O)

[TheKazzyMac]

CaptainJack said:

Britpoint said:

CaptainJack said:

The game introduces massive understeer in certain places on certain tracks - this is the kind of thing a selective beta would have picked up on.

On Okutama GP as you start up the hill around the long right hander is one I have noticed, and on Istanbul B, just as you come around the final right hander to the home straight the understeer is worse than in Grid 1, which makes me wonder if some of that code was used in the making of it ?
~O)

Well I can't be 100% certain, but they're both pretty steep inclines aren't they? My suspicion is that gravity is moving the weight more over the rear wheels resulting in a loss of front grip. Not the nicest handling trait in the world when you get it for sure, but don't think it's something we'd want to 'fix'. :)

That argument might stand for Okatuma, but the corner at Istanbul B is virtually flat . . .after coming down into the last right hander the road flattens before the bend . .I can remember in Grid 1 that we would go out far left onto the run off area to curve the bend because of this massive understeer if you tried to take it on the racing line. The only other way was to virtually stop and crawl around.

Now, whilst I have your attention, about my Flag of St Pirran ? . .
~O)

I remember Grid 2 having modelled different levels of grip on different parts of some circuits (for example Indianapolis, some corners I couldn't take as fast as others even though the others were wider).

It's probably the case that this is true in GAS as well; tracks don't have the same levels of grip on every corner of the track. Perhaps it's annoying but eh.

That said, I don't remember the bumps on San Francisco being this bad on Grid 1. Several times my car's swerved at someone because it hit the edge of the darker patches of track and lost traction. I don't mind the traction loss in of itself but the bumps they create are pretty random.

[TURBODEVIN19]

Seems to me the 'kerbstonephysics' need to tuning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9n9PehsWJo