More explanations for different modes needed to keep esp newbies motivated

[pacman84 0]

There are already some nice guides. This one is great for cars:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=462311586

Here is a setup guide:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=456484010

And here a tuning guide:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=478035750

-pac

[OzoreXS 0]

pacman84 said:

There are already some nice guides. This one is great for cars:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=462311586

Here is a setup guide:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=456484010

And here a tuning guide:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=478035750

-pac

Good ones mate!
cheers

[RallyDriven 398]

Hope you are enjoying the game more now and are getting more out of it!

[pacman84 0]

RallyDriven said:

Hope you are enjoying the game more now and are getting more out of it!

Indeed, I do! I still do believe that this is an extremely hard game but that is just what Rally is about: one mistake - a lifetime of pain!

I also do still believe that Codemasters should add some more mechanics to keep especially new players motivated. Some kind of progress bar for the championships wouldn't hurt. And they should come up with more than that, to be honest.

-pac

[OzoreXS 0]

From a point of view a progress bar for champs. progress has no sense.

Just take it like if it was kinda tennis champ/status :)

[pacman84 0]

Just some random thoughts I need to get out of my system, sorry guys.
So I am playing Professional now and still suck. This is my third attempt because I always score 4th or lower. I don't know if I ever make this and advance to Elite but I am so addicted to the game anyway that it's not the biggest of problems.

The other day I went to the basement and picked up my Thrustmaster FF430 wheel with pedals. Now all I do is race from the driver's perspective. So much fun! I think the moment when this game really opened up to me was when I stopped caring too much about how good I am . I try to make as much money as I can to pay my expansive engineers and about once every month I can afford to buy a new car (I have three cars now).

Just finished Monte Carlo as third which felt awesome. Now a rainy Germany is just ruining my rank in the big scheme of the Rally. But what the heck, I'll just keep on driving and practicing a little bit.

Does anybody have a good guide to taking corners and sliding? I think I would benefit greatly from that. Thanks in advance and thanks for reading my ramblings,

-pac

[OzoreXS 0]

pacman84 said:

Just some random thoughts I need to get out of my system, sorry guys.
So I am playing Professional now and still suck. This is my third attempt because I always score 4th or lower. I don't know if I ever make this and advance to Elite but I am so addicted to the game anyway that it's not the biggest of problems.

The other day I went to the basement and picked up my Thrustmaster FF430 wheel with pedals. Now all I do is race from the driver's perspective. So much fun! I think the moment when this game really opened up to me was when I stopped caring too much about how good I am . I try to make as much money as I can to pay my expansive engineers and about once every month I can afford to buy a new car (I have three cars now).

Just finished Monte Carlo as third which felt awesome. Now a rainy Germany is just ruining my rank in the big scheme of the Rally. But what the heck, I'll just keep on driving and practicing a little bit.

Does anybody have a good guide to taking corners and sliding? I think I would benefit greatly from that. Thanks in advance and thanks for reading my ramblings,

-pac

The only thing you should care right now is if you have a proper Force feedback config in your wheel.

The feeling received with a bad /default config may give you wrong sensations and feeling of the car.

I recommend you to try this settings in your wheel:
http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/17307/logitech-driving-force-gt-recommended-ffb-settings/p1

Despite they have different brands, you will notice a huge difference. Just adjust it a bit and you will improve your driving almost automaticallywhen you feel what car is doing.

[Dytut 89]

First off, sliding technique differs quite a bit between FWD/RWD/4WD.

In any car, you can usually start a slide with a little bit of handbrake. You can usually upset the car into a slide by "throwing" it into the corner aswell. In cars older than 2000s it's also recommended to learn the "scandinavian flick", search for it on youtube. 

4WD cars are easiest to slide and control the slides in. Give a bit more throttle and you can make it step out with the back a bit more, and you can also use left foot braking to keep control of the front (essential you keep your foot down at 80-100% throttle, while using a little bit of the brakes at the same time).

FWD are trickier to slide well, but you can usually do quite well with using left foot braking and handbrake to unsettle the back. If you get the initial slide wrong it's quite hard to get them back on track though. It's easy to get overreliant on the handbrake and spin the car, or getting understeer if you get too little slide when going fast.

RWD are the trickiest. Hold the right speed (usually slower than you think) before the corner, and use the scandinavian flick if needed to get the back out a little bit (might also tap the brake a bit to make the front wheels bite down). Then you need to be very precise with the throttle once the slide starts. Give it too much and you spin, to little and your slide stops and throws you out of the corner.


I'm no master at slides, but there's some basics I've learned at least :-)

[RallyDriven 398]

Yeah, try YouTube for tutorials, there are some good ones on there. It's a bit difficult to show over text. Just remember it is different for front, rear and four wheel drives though!

[pacman84 0]

Oh wow, thanks for your recommendations. 
Ozore: it seems odd to use Logitech settings on a Thrustmaster wheel but will test anyway and let you know what I think. I never wasted much thought about how to set up that wheel. Plugged it in, tested a little bit, thought "wow, this feels a lot like back when I played Dirt 3", smiled and just drove.

Dytut: that's some great info right there, thanks! I think I was pretty good at the Scandinavian flick back in my heydays of racing games. So if I can re-awaken those skills, I guess that would be a start. :)
I am driving the Ford Focus 2007 now as that stupid Peugot 205 was just to hyperactive and all over the place for my taste. The Ford has an almost ridiculous amount of stability which a whiney noob like me desperately needs. :)
But on rainy German tarmac, there is just not enough stability :(. Maybe I need to fiddle a little more with my car setup? But there's so much to adjust... It would be cool if my expansive mechanics would give me some recommendations on how to set up my car. I need to suggest this to Codies. But then I guess there are too many tastes to have a "optimum general setup".

Right now there is a weekly event that needs either the Opel Manta or the Lancia. I think one of those two will be my next purchase. Which one would you recommend to whiney noob?

-pac

[KevM 44]

Dytut said:

You can usually upset the car into a slide by "throwing" it into the corner aswell. In cars older than 2000s it's also recommended to learn the "scandinavian flick", search for it on youtube. 

https://youtu.be/VBlHU_8svQA

[Dytut 89]

pacman84 said:

Oh wow, thanks for your recommendations. 
Ozore: it seems odd to use Logitech settings on a Thrustmaster wheel but will test anyway and let you know what I think. I never wasted much thought about how to set up that wheel. Plugged it in, tested a little bit, thought "wow, this feels a lot like back when I played Dirt 3", smiled and just drove.

Dytut: that's some great info right there, thanks! I think I was pretty good at the Scandinavian flick back in my heydays of racing games. So if I can re-awaken those skills, I guess that would be a start. :)
I am driving the Ford Focus 2007 now as that stupid Peugot 205 was just to hyperactive and all over the place for my taste. The Ford has an almost ridiculous amount of stability which a whiney noob like me desperately needs. :)
But on rainy German tarmac, there is just not enough stability :(. Maybe I need to fiddle a little more with my car setup? But there's so much to adjust... It would be cool if my expansive mechanics would give me some recommendations on how to set up my car. I need to suggest this to Codies. But then I guess there are too many tastes to have a "optimum general setup".

Right now there is a weekly event that needs either the Opel Manta or the Lancia. I think one of those two will be my next purchase. Which one would you recommend to whiney noob?

-pac

In the beginning I was trying to fiddle a lot with the cars and try to find settings that made me quicker. My recommendation is to go the other way. Leave the cars at default settings until you can consistently make top 3 place in masters championship. This will force you to learn to adapt to the cars and learn much of how to drive them instead of sticking to a particular driving style and trying to force-config the cars to adapt to you.

Of the group B RWD cars the Manta is much easier to drive. But if you want a challenge (and the reward of feeling like a rally god after a good stage), go for the 037 :-)


edit: @KevM : That's the way to drive group B :-D I gotta set up some recording software and tape my slow but non-handbrake Audi Quattro runs aswell :-)

[Procver 3]

The FFB setups are very important. If it's set up wrong you could do worse than with the default one.
In my case the most critical item is the auto-centering (you can configure it outside the game). I always deactivate it, otherwise I can't recover from powerslides and spin out.

[Procver 3]

The FFB setups are very important. If it's set up wrong you could do worse than with the default one.
In my case the most critical item is the auto-centering (you can configure it outside the game). I always deactivate it, otherwise I can't recover from powerslides and spin out.

[Procver 3]

The FFB setups are very important. If it's set up wrong you could do worse than with the default one.
In my case the most critical item is the auto-centering (you can configure it outside the game). I always deactivate it, otherwise I can't recover from powerslides and spin out.

[Porkhammer 78]

Procver said:

In my case the most critical item is the auto-centering (you can configure it outside the game). I always deactivate it, otherwise I can't recover from powerslides and spin out.

In my case I always set this value to 40% or more (100 self aligning torque in game options), or there's no resistance in the wheel at all... which feels stupid. This value also makes the wheel tug a little when powersliding, so you know exactly how much to countersteer - making RWD cars a breeze to drive. Unless, of course, it's the 037, which is just batshit crazy regardless of wheel settings.

[Procver 3]

Well, you do better than I do, so you may have a better point. But without auto-centering I do feel resistance whenever the front wheels are not pointing the way the car is going, so whenever I'm in a powerslide I know that when I don't feel any sideways force I'm aligning the wheels correctly to go out of the slide and start driving straight.
I've never modified the in-game options, I mean in my Logitech Profiler, maybe we're talking about different things here.

[OzoreXS 0]

Porkhammer said:

Procver said:

In my case the most critical item is the auto-centering (you can configure it outside the game). I always deactivate it, otherwise I can't recover from powerslides and spin out.

In my case I always set this value to 40% or more (100 self aligning torque in game options), or there's no resistance in the wheel at all... which feels stupid. This value also makes the wheel tug a little when powersliding, so you know exactly how much to countersteer - making RWD cars a breeze to drive. Unless, of course, it's the 037, which is just batshit crazy regardless of wheel settings.

loled and agreed

[shadow118 18]

In the FFB settings I left everything at default (100%) except for wheel friction, which I turned completely off. It does however differ from wheel to wheel. These settings work fine for my DFGT@540°, but when I drove with the Formula Force EX (200°), almost everything was at about 80%, with SAT at even lower, because if it was at 100% or more, then the weel would just violently rock from side to side.

[pacman84 0]

Okay, a couple of things.
1. Tried the FFB settings recommended to me. It feels so much easier to drive now! Thank you very very much.
2. Tried the Lancia 037 in the daily. That thing is bat shit crazy. I swear I did several turns like a tank, turning without moving forward. Heck, I even turned left once and the car went right. Go figure. I pierced a tire after like 10 seconds into the stage. Then I was completely mangled between two trees. DNFed in some kind of ragequit.
3. Bought the Opel Manta instead. That car is bat shit crazy too! I don't know how to drive that thing. It feels like I'm floating over the road. Not in a good way! Crazyness wherever I look.
4. Drove some more in my beloved Ford Focus 2007. That's more like it!

Off to bed now. See you on the race track and thanks for all the good input!
-pac

[RyuMakkuro 6]

Porkhammer said:
Unless, of course, it's the 037, which is just batshit crazy regardless of wheel settings.

I wish I knew it before I decided to use this car for winning the Group B RWD championship... at Master level... with gamepad... still hurts.

[Spokster 0]

pacman84 said:

Okay, a couple of things.
1. Tried the FFB settings recommended to me. It feels so much easier to drive now! Thank you very very much.
2. Tried the Lancia 037 in the daily. That thing is bat shit crazy. I swear I did several turns like a tank, turning without moving forward. Heck, I even turned left once and the car went right. Go figure. I pierced a tire after like 10 seconds into the stage. Then I was completely mangled between two trees. DNFed in some kind of ragequit.
3. Bought the Opel Manta instead. That car is bat shit crazy too! I don't know how to drive that thing. It feels like I'm floating over the road. Not in a good way! Crazyness wherever I look.
4. Drove some more in my beloved Ford Focus 2007. That's more like it!

Off to bed now. See you on the race track and thanks for all the good input!
-pac

The rearwheel drive cars (especially the Group B RWD) cars are quite hard to drive, but from those 2 cars, the Opel Manta is the easiest because it has a bit less horsepower then the Lancia 037, you have to learn to "throttle control" because on loose surfaces, rearwheel drive cars tend to oversteer a lot.
Steering requires some more concentration then 4WD does, because they tend to slide or push the car sideways because of the rearwheel drive, 4WD doesn't have this problem.

Take your time with Dirt Rally, it's all about consistency, don't try to burn through the stage, you'll make a mistake, you crash and you die, but instead try to get to know the stages of all locations, the more you get to know the stages and get a feel for the cars, you will gradually improve you stage times.

btw, if you want to win money fast, the best way to do it is by running the Hillclimb, you can do 2 runs to complete the event (only 1 if the first run is already good enough for a first place).

Keep practising, you'll get there! ;)

[pacman84 0]

Spokster said:

btw, if you want to win money fast, the best way to do it is by running the Hillclimb, you can do 2 runs to complete the event (only 1 if the first run is already good enough for a first place).

Keep practising, you'll get there! ;)

Thanks for your kind words and the recommendation about the Hillclimb. Now all I need is enough credits to get a car for that. Maybe the Audi? I like how it looks and I think that should be a good reason to choose that car over the others. :)
-pac

[OzoreXS 0]

pacman84 said:

Spokster said:

btw, if you want to win money fast, the best way to do it is by running the Hillclimb, you can do 2 runs to complete the event (only 1 if the first run is already good enough for a first place).

Keep practising, you'll get there! ;)

Thanks for your kind words and the recommendation about the Hillclimb. Now all I need is enough credits to get a car for that. Maybe the Audi? I like how it looks and I think that should be a good reason to choose that car over the others. :)
-pac

405 T16 PP !!

Without any doubt. 

[Porkhammer 78]

OzoreXS said:

pacman84 said:

Spokster said:

btw, if you want to win money fast, the best way to do it is by running the Hillclimb, you can do 2 runs to complete the event (only 1 if the first run is already good enough for a first place).

Keep practising, you'll get there! ;)

Thanks for your kind words and the recommendation about the Hillclimb. Now all I need is enough credits to get a car for that. Maybe the Audi? I like how it looks and I think that should be a good reason to choose that car over the others. :)
-pac

405 T16 PP !!

Without any doubt. 

The Audi is better for new players. The 405 has terrible understeer regardless of tweaks, and its topspeed is extremely low as well.