Team Meeting - Dnote's Notes 22/10/15

[speedqueen119 0]

@Lozzy will there be a new console patch with in the next week or we still looking at another month??

[Lozzy 0]

FS7 said:

That's why there should be option to set penalties to full, reduced, corner cutting only, or off, like in previous F1 games.

I don't know why we don't have all those options still, I presume that was a choice somebody made. I'll enquire.

hobbsy777 said:

Then there should at least be more levels so that the difficulty change is less steep.

Yes there should.

speedqueen119 said:

@Lozzy will there be a new console patch with in the next week or we still looking at another month??

There is still no ETA at the moment.

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Lozzy said:

hobbsy777 said:

Then there should at least be more levels so that the difficulty change is less steep.

Yes there should.

So will there be?

[speedqueen119 0]

Another issue @Lozzy  pad users seem  to have massive advantage with all assists off where pad users are doing 1.33 around Japan me on a t300rs and pro pedals best I manged is 1 34.2 with all assist off is this something your looking at making the wheel equal to pad users I have seen videos where pad users don't seem to suffer from wheels locking as much as wheel users and seem to be able to brake harder and later than wheel users too

[jinCHEZ 0]

You got to be kidding me -_-" It is as equal as it gets

[DauntingConch 0]

speedqueen119 said:

Another issue @Lozzy  pad users seem  to have massive advantage with all assists off where pad users are doing 1.33 around Japan me on a t300rs and pro pedals best I manged is 1 34.2 with all assist off is this something your looking at making the wheel equal to pad users I have seen videos where pad users don't seem to suffer from wheels locking as much as wheel users and seem to be able to brake harder and later than wheel users too

I'd be interested to see the findings of this if codemasters look into it as I feel there is a traction and steering advantage pad users have over steering wheel users. 

[speedqueen119 0]

Pad user have an advantage deffo top 25 time trail leaderboards on ps4 any track all held by pad users @jinCHEZ what do you use mate pad or wheel @DauntingConch is deffo on the brakes with all assist off they have the advantage 

[jinCHEZ 0]

there are a lot of cheattimes and corner cutters in the top 25 so don't watch those, from those that are there for the right reason, you can compare pads vs wheels. You should ask some topguns of the scene what they think, they'll tell you it's similar... If you have a wheel, test yourself how fast you can go with both

[speedqueen119 0]

I race with some of the fastest guys on ps4 @jinCHEZ not the cheating times but the correct time laying 15 16 th on leaderboard even they agree that they have the advantage on the pad as they where behind me on f12014 but over a second quicker on 2015 very suspicious there doing 1 29s Bahrain I'm doing 1.30.5 silver stone again 1.29.s me 1.30.3s China 1.33s. me 1.34.7 

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speedqueen119 said:

Another issue @Lozzy  pad users seem  to have massive advantage with all assists off where pad users are doing 1.33 around Japan me on a t300rs and pro pedals best I managed is 1 34.2 with all assist off is this something your looking at making the wheel equal to pad users I have seen videos where pad users don't seem to suffer from wheels locking as much as wheel users and seem to be able to brake harder and later than wheel users too

I've asked the handling guys to look in to this.

[speedqueen119 0]

Cheers @lozzy what I have found its deffo on the brakes with no assist pad users don't seem to suffer any lockup until 2gear where on the wheel you lock up instantly! Where some times even applying 65% brake on wheel results in them locking on the pad you can apply full brakes as late as possible with bearly  any lockup until 2 gear 

[HelmetSquad 0]

I get horrendous lockup using Pad- PS4, all assists off (except racing line)

EDIT: I compensate to avoid lockups - if I didn't, yea, lockups all over the shop

[jinCHEZ 0]

keep in mind you can "feel" much more with a wheel when you can do what... The fastest I know on the PS4 don't say such things tho... And pads were slower than you on 2014 and faster than you on 2015? xD 2014 was actually known for being better for pad, 2015 isn't... It's a different game in general and maybe it just suits them better, like 2015 suits me better than 2014...

[HelmetSquad 0]

Also,
Fastest lap - Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1m 37.093s (lap 29)

^^ fastest (Race) lap set at this year's Silverstone GP. You're lapping 7 seconds faster @speedqueen119 ?

[Lozzy 0]

This was raised internally back in June when QA said they found driving with no assists on a pad easier than with a wheel. The lead designer and the handling guys looked at this at the time and came to the conclusion that while it is easier on a pad that ultimately on a wheel they were quicker because of the consistency it gave them.

This is going to be very contentious depending on which device you're using, but the guys whose job this is are happy with the balance between devices.

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Lozzy said:

This was raised internally back in June when QA said they found driving with no assists on a pad easier than with a wheel. The lead designer and the handling guys looked at this at the time and came to the conclusion that while it is easier on a pad that ultimately on a wheel they were quicker because of the consistency it gave them.

This is going to be very contentious depending on which device you're using, but the guys whose job this is are happy with the balance between devices.

The problem is, there are LOADS of drivers who can be consistent on a gamepad - just as much as some wheel drivers - and then they end up with a huge advantage!

[Lozzy 0]

Do you find that your best wheel players are slower than the best pad players? Even in the wet?

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Lozzy said:

Do you find that your best wheel players are slower than the best pad players? Even in the wet?

I agree on the consistency point of view to a degree but it's so hard to replicate the pace of a good pad user against a wheel user.  I believe wheel users can be just as fast it's just much much harder.  The top drivers in our league are pad users, as is the case in most other league's and as is the case in the vast majority of the people at the top of the time trial leaderboards. 
For the next game it would be good if both pads and wheels could be more evenly balanced to ensure no one has an advantage through hardware. This isn't the current situation,  which is unfortunate. 

[speedqueen119 0]

Yes @Lozzy wheel users really struggling in the wet unless there using assist I could never switch back to using assist @jinCHEZ I know some guys who were really fast on 2014 using the pad and in the wet had a massive advantage because of the built in traction control on the  pad I'd would love the traction on this game to be as difficult has 2014 because it seperated the men from the boys on the wheel

[speedqueen119 0]

@HelmetSquad yes mate 7 seconds faster with no assists 

[speedqueen119 0]

@lozzy could you please raise pad being faster than the  wheel with the handling guys again 

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speedqueen119 said:

@HelmetSquad yes mate 7 seconds faster with no assists 

I don't mean to come across like a dick here.. and this is directed at the community, not you specifically.

We (as a community) are OK with lap times being 7 seconds faster than IRL ?

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jinCHEZ said:

keep in mind you can "feel" much more with a wheel when you can do what... The fastest I know on the PS4 don't say such things tho... And pads were slower than you on 2014 and faster than you on 2015? xD 2014 was actually known for being better for pad, 2015 isn't... It's a different game in general and maybe it just suits them better, like 2015 suits me better than 2014...

id like some of what your smoking 2014 was a pad game! No chance was it pad had better traction but wheel had much better turn in giving it a massive advantage on a lot of tracks.

[speedqueen119 0]

@speeddemon8021 only issues wheel suffered on 2014 was traction was hard work I was running 1 11 aero around Spain on 2014 but agree that wheel had the better turn in but was impossible to drive in the wet being 2 second slower than the pad users then 

[HelmetSquad 0]

How about rather than trying to code the game playability to be more in favour of the wheel we get multiplayer hoppers for Pad and multiplayer hoppers for Wheels? i.e. a filtering system.

"I only want to play against pad players" - which only allows players currently using a Pad
"I only want to play against wheel players" - which only allows players using a wheel
"I don't mind which" - allows wheels or pads