[OFF TOPIC] Sebastien Loëb Rally EVO devs

[RyuMakkuro 6]

Porkhammer said:
Buncha fish Milestone devs giving us crap ffb and sound expecting people to pay for it, pfrt...

If it was only that xD

[SergeyTokarev 7]

Porkhammer said:

dynt said:

PRICE IS DOWN TO 21 EUROS on instant-gamming

Hmm...

...nah, still not worth it. Let me know when it's down to two euros, and I'll consider it.

Buncha fish Milestone devs giving us crap ffb and sound expecting people to pay for it, pfrt...

~7,8 EUR/ 8,8 USD at russian steam store for standart edition (11,6 EUR / 13 USD for special edition).
Still not worth it, IMO. Milestone won't support it anyway. 

[function9 0]

I wouldn't purchase from those discount sites personally. I'm sure they're a big reason why games [on Steam] at full/regular prices are filled with cheaters. I honestly don't see how those sites are legit either. Is Valve getting a cut from those sites?

Anyways, for all the money they spent on cars, I don't see any sign of a Mk2 or Metro. How could you make a rally game in this day and age and not have either of those? It's bat**** crazy is what it is. Especially when they don't have no Quattro E2 either (Audi being stingy with the license for that?).

[MiatakiasGR 1]

(PC) guys i resolved save problem but now i can the progress in career mode is not saved.. i mean for example i go in any event in career i do the 7 challenges and show me 7/7 and when i reboot the game in same challenge i see 0/7 and again the intro video for that challenge etc..at least the credits i get and raputation is saved so i can buy more cars etc.. anybody has this issue?

[RodgerDavies 933]

They must support it if they're offering several DLC packs, surely?

[gaski 2]

Evilsmurf said:

gaski said:

I still haven't got the email to verify so that I can play online.  Anyone else in the same boat?

I had to make a Gmail address and use that...

A new email address just to play a game online...

Cheers bud
Edit:
Out of interest, how long did it take..  Just reg'd the gmail one and still nothing

[Evilsmurf 90]

gaski said:

Evilsmurf said:

gaski said:

I still haven't got the email to verify so that I can play online.  Anyone else in the same boat?

I had to make a Gmail address and use that...

A new email address just to play a game online...

Cheers bud
Edit:
Out of interest, how long did it take..  Just reg'd the gmail one and still nothing

Was almost instant, the servers aren't exactly busy :D not many people on line or on the leader boards. 

Also, check your spam box on Gmail. The link might end up in it.

[gaski 2]

Evilsmurf said:

Was almost instant, the servers aren't exactly busy :D not many people on line or on the leader boards. 

Also, check your spam box on Gmail. The link might end up in it.

Found it bud - played online last night and had quite a bit of fun.  Sooo many bugs though!

[Evilsmurf 90]

Yeah, the online is fun although I'm not a fan of ghost cars. Would rather have a 30 secs start or just not see the ghost cars at all.

My biggest issue with it now is I have to drop my screen to 1980 x 1080 to get smooth (ish) frame rates and that looks awful on my  2560 x 1080 monitor. That and some of the quirky handling and micro stutters just keep putting me off playing.

[gaski 2]

Yeah I can live with the ghost cars, although they do need some more transparency as you get close.  To be honest, the online bit of SLRE just fills the gap that Dirt can't and that's where game longevity comes for me.  Not that SLRE online is busy, I'm just hoping it becomes busier!

Gotta say I do enjoy the Loeb career experience, especially in the faster cars.  Some of the stages are amazing too - Australia and Mexico spring to mind with the savage gradient changes!

[RallyDriven 398]

Launch month will be its busiest, it's not going to get any busier now!

[MiatakiasGR 1]

gaski said:

Yeah I can live with the ghost cars, although they do need some more transparency as you get close.  To be honest, the online bit of SLRE just fills the gap that Dirt can't and that's where game longevity comes for me.  Not that SLRE online is busy, I'm just hoping it becomes busier!

Gotta say I do enjoy the Loeb career experience, especially in the faster cars.  Some of the stages are amazing too - Australia and Mexico spring to mind with the savage gradient changes!

I agree with you , Mexico and Australia is are very good location , also the France could be in Dirt rally instead of Germany and for some reason Sweden i like more in SLRE than Dirt rally..also the stage in Walles in SLRE with the low wall on the left and the cliffs is amazing , it should be in Dirt rally too.. About online i am not confident cause we are just some weeks after SLRE is released and the online is empty.. usually i find none or just 1 lobby with 1-2 players even in busy europe hours and days.. Milestone's servers had always been lagy with many disconnections in all of their games (WRC series , RIDE , SBK series , Moto GP series etc) but in first days in these games there were some more lobbies and players.. They should keep the option host to set a whole rally (10 stages for example like in previous WRC games) text chat (i remember this at least in WRC1 of 2010)Too many disconnections , staggered option should be availiable and not just ungly colors ghost cars... SLRE seems to be the first decent Milestone game with very good career mode , Sebastien Loeb challenge  and much content..Also i like custom liveries , service area but i miss repair option between stages ..Also it should be better optimized as in Dirt rally which has better graphics overall i get way better performance , higher fps in higher settings..But i think Milestone is in a good way to make really good rally games in the future..

[gaski 2]

RallyDriven said:

Launch month will be its busiest, it's not going to get any busier now!

Sadly I know, just hoping for the best :D

MiatakiasGR said:

gaski said:

Yeah I can live with the ghost cars, although they do need some more transparency as you get close.  To be honest, the online bit of SLRE just fills the gap that Dirt can't and that's where game longevity comes for me.  Not that SLRE online is busy, I'm just hoping it becomes busier!

Gotta say I do enjoy the Loeb career experience, especially in the faster cars.  Some of the stages are amazing too - Australia and Mexico spring to mind with the savage gradient changes!

I agree with you , Mexico and Australia is are very good location , also the France could be in Dirt rally instead of Germany and for some reason Sweden i like more in SLRE than Dirt rally..also the stage in Walles in SLRE with the low wall on the left and the cliffs is amazing , it should be in Dirt rally too.. About online i am not confident cause we are just some weeks after SLRE is released and the online is empty.. usually i find none or just 1 lobby with 1-2 players even in busy europe hours and days.. Milestone's servers had always been lagy with many disconnections in all of their games (WRC series , RIDE , SBK series , Moto GP series etc) but in first days in these games there were some more lobbies and players.. They should keep the option host to set a whole rally (10 stages for example like in previous WRC games) text chat (i remember this at least in WRC1 of 2010)Too many disconnections , staggered option should be availiable and not just ungly colors ghost cars... SLRE seems to be the first decent Milestone game with very good career mode , Sebastien Loeb challenge  and much content..Also i like custom liveries , service area but i miss repair option between stages ..Also it should be better optimized as in Dirt rally which has better graphics overall i get way better performance , higher fps in higher settings..But i think Milestone is in a good way to make really good rally games in the future..

 I haven't played any previous milestone titles but yes I have had the disconnects in SLRE.  Very frustrating when it happens.  It's a shame really, because the track design and content is spot on, just lacks that final polish that the Codemasters guys have done so well in DR.  Have to agree with you on Sweden tho, seems much better in SLRE.  That said, my decision is probably based on the Dirt snow banks constantly sucking me in!

[griev0r 15]

Looks like everyone started to wake up to Milestone's BS.  There might be some substance to SLRE, but with all the bugs, lack of basic features and controller support, lack of post-release support typical of Milestone... people aren't going to spend 60$ of hard earned money on crap like this anymore.  As much as I want more serious rally games/sims, they can't keep getting way with this kind of crap.  And it's showing:

[Darhour 3]

$60 is probably the cost of refunding the most handicapped engine they use to develop their games alongside the sound engineers and 3D cars artists who certainly all know very little about rallying and cars in general. The funny thing about their childishness and naivety about videogames is that they still use fishy background music for intro, menus and trailers to show how badass they are meanwhile it is just a false pretension of how really idiotic they seem to be and how they morbidly treat people who purchase their games.

Bunch of profiteering idiots.

[ZAMOY72 0]

Really nice summary of DR vs SLRE: http://steamcommunity.com/app/355060/discussions/0/412446292754834158/#c412447331647148223

[RodgerDavies 933]

ZAMOY72 said:
Really nice summary of DR vs SLRE: http://steamcommunity.com/app/355060/discussions/0/412446292754834158/#c412447331647148223

Fair summary, but I couldn't disagree more with the 'all cars on all tracks' thing. Unless it's licences, I can't fathom why I shouldn't be allowed to take a rally car up Pike's Peak (or even run a rally on the PP territory, although I realise this would take plenty of additional work).

With the World RX stuff vs the rally cars being used for RX, pluses and minus to both sides (more authenticity cs more variety). I can take either but not going to slate SLRE for that, I think it's a good design choice.

[F2CMaDMaXX 505]

Licensing stops them doing all cars all tracks in DR.

[gfRally 449]

RodgerDavies said:

ZAMOY72 said:
Really nice summary of DR vs SLRE: http://steamcommunity.com/app/355060/discussions/0/412446292754834158/#c412447331647148223

Fair summary, but I couldn't disagree more with the 'all cars on all tracks' thing. Unless it's licences, I can't fathom why I shouldn't be allowed to take a rally car up Pike's Peak (or even run a rally on the PP territory, although I realise this would take plenty of additional work).

With the World RX stuff vs the rally cars being used for RX, pluses and minus to both sides (more authenticity cs more variety). I can take either but not going to slate SLRE for that, I think it's a good design choice.

Licensing aside.  I don't know how close everyone has followed the actual PP event.  But its partially a - if your car meets the required safety standards and you got the $$ for entry and then INVITED you can run your car.  So you could run a rally car up PP if it meets their standards, there are plenty of videos that shows a lot of different cars running.  

With that said, I always wondered why they didn't go to one of the guys that fabricate their own complete vehicle (i.e. its borderline dune buggy like frame w/fairing) and license that for PP, I am sure there are some reasons, and spending money for a car no one knows about and only runs PP.  

If they where able to obtain some cheaper licenses for even classic american cars from Grid, it may add to the experience.  Then again, you get farther and farther from Rally adding all kinds of misc cars to run. 

[BrySkye 14]

F2CMaDMaXX said:

Licensing stops them doing all cars all tracks in DR.

Er, I don't think that has actually been stated anywhere. Not be the devs anyway, it's been an assumption by some community members.

In fact, in the latest DiRT Show, Paul implied it was more that it would just be doing "Content for the sake of Content" (in regards to why no Group B in Rally Cross with current cars rather than specific RX ones), which is a justification I don't particularly agree with, not even slightly, but there you go.
That's not 'because of licensing'.

[F2CMaDMaXX 505]

It was a kind of assumption, but it's to the point you just made, the cars licensed are for the tracks/type of run they were designed for.  So the S1600 class for example, they're only the RX versions licensed so we can't rally them.

[BrySkye 14]

F2CMaDMaXX said:

It was a kind of assumption, but it's to the point you just made, the cars licensed are for the tracks/type of run they were designed for.  So the S1600 class for example, they're only the RX versions licensed so we can't rally them.

But that's not licensing restrictions preventing them.
It's a concious choice by Codies that they don't think it would be appropriate to use them on other tracks.
Not can't, but won't. 
I think that's a big difference, and one that kinda bugs me because it's been something rather frequently requested by the customers.
I would have rather it would have been a licensing agreement legally preventing them from doing so.
Rally Cross or Hill Climb cars on Rally tracks is one thing, there's issues there like no co-driver (though it worked fine in DiRT3's ACAT mod).
A legit technical reason.
But there isn't really anything like that stopping rally cars on Pikes Peak.
I wouldn't mind the lack of official support, but so much effort has also been put into making an Any Car, Any Track mod practically impossible...
Bleh.

[SRD_SimVansevenant 863]

ZAMOY72 said:

Really nice summary of DR vs SLRE: http://steamcommunity.com/app/355060/discussions/0/412446292754834158/#c412447331647148223

Thanks! That's my review. 

I wrote on top of the post that I'm sharing my opinion, not necessarily facts. People sometimes interpret an opinion for fact and rage bomb the hell out of a post by saying "Idiot!", "You don't know what you're talking about." or "You're probably still in daipers so what do you know about this?" Someone actually wrote that last line to me once. :lol: 

About the 'all cars on all stages/tracks'-topic, I must admit it's a bit of a gray area.
I agree that driving rally cars on PP  is something that would be acceptable because apparently it's possible to do that in real life, if the car meets the required regulation standards. However driving PP cars and Rally Cross cars on rally stages is a no go for me. I can't recall that anything of the sort ever occurred.
Both games are suppose to be simulating the disciplines like they are in the real world.
(Btw I'm a tiny bit OCD, if you hadn't noticed it yet.)

What I do object to most in SLRE is that they implemented the Rally Cross discipline without putting a single Rally Cross car in the game. They acquired so many licences for rally cars and PP cars in order to race them in their respectable disciplines but why they didn't acquire the licences for some Rally Cross cars to drive on Rally Cross circuits, is beyond me really. (Well, somehow it's not really a surprise because we all know Milestone's track record.)

[RallyDriven 398]

I thought the same, to me it's the strangest decision to include an entire discipline and not have a single car for it. They could have got some s1600's like codemasters at least. And I'm sure they could have been able to license some RX super cars somewhere, without the world RX license of course

[RyuMakkuro 6]

RallyDriven said:

I thought the same, to me it's the strangest decision to include an entire discipline and not have a single car for it. They could have got some s1600's like codemasters at least. And I'm sure they could have been able to license some RX super cars somewhere, without the world RX license of course

Audi S1 RX for example.