[OFF TOPIC] Sebastien Loëb Rally EVO devs

[KevM 44]

I would actually love narrower stages and less lateral grip.  Ability to roll a car in a flat 6th gear corner tells me that grip is far too user friendly!! :)

Yeah, the forum would literally melt with tales of inability!! 

[bogani 756]

Kakkela said:

xkevlarx said:

Kakkela said:

That section after Kakaristo junction is really narrow, I wish dr would have kept it real. Whole Ouninpohja is too wide in general, but that last section especially.

That is one thing where DiRT Rally is still holding our hands little bit, and the ditches... I can't imagine how these PS4/XBox threads would be if stages were as narrow as they really are.

It's mostly Finland though. Wales and Sweden seems narrow enough. Finland just feels like it's still got one foot in the older Dirt titles.

[bogani 756]

KevM said:

I would actually love narrower stages and less lateral grip.  Ability to roll a car in a flat 6th gear corner tells me that grip is far too user friendly!! :)

Yeah, the forum would literally melt with tales of inability!! 

Can't say I agree with "far too user friendly". Maybe the older cars with older tires/suspension could get nerfed a bit grip wise, the modern WRC's are quite close IMO.

Take away too much lateral grip and it'll start feeling like vanilla RBR. I guess some people would like that I guess..

[KevM 44]

I think it's getting close, but a slight tad on the high side. 

Dunno how many times I have rolled a 2010 car for far less....

http://youtu.be/V0kH3LAp-Gw

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Kakkela said:

xkevlarx said:

Kakkela said:

That section after Kakaristo junction is really narrow, I wish dr would have kept it real. Whole Ouninpohja is too wide in general, but that last section especially.

That is one thing where DiRT Rally is still holding our hands little bit, and the ditches... I can't imagine how these PS4/XBox threads would be if stages were as narrow as they really are.

I think the width of Ouninpohja is quite close to real life in rbr, if only dirt rally had the hole stage and that it was a bit narrower

[CaseF 0]

Kakkela said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xauNU2CUDN8

Someone made nice effort comparing SLRE and DiRT 208 T16. I have driven it lately just with pad in SLRE (it doesn't' support two devices at the same time so cant use my pedals since I switched to T300RS) but it's clear that something is very wrong in DiRTs car.

I'm that someone (I lurk here occassionally).

And as for "why are people acting so surprised that tarmac physics is off in DR" that was mentioned - well, I'm not really surprised. I've always felt that at least Pikes Peak tarmac is really weird. But like I say in the description of the video, it was kinda possible to make an excuse to yourself and think that maybe the cars handle so weird because they're quite old and not that sophisticated, maybe their tyres are not that great etc. Also sliding the cars around was quite fun, even if it felt quite off.

I was really looking forward to the 208 coming to DR. I was hoping it would be great. But it's not. Not for me, at least. I was looking forward to driving it and now, when we have it, it's probably my least favorite car in the whole game. It's not fun at all to drive. It's terrible and frustrating and really disappointing. And that disappointment is why I made the video (or rather why I wrote what I wrote in its description, the video is still just a comparison). Also, I like SLRE quite a lot, feel like it's been treated quite unfairly by a lot of people and I want to show that it's not as bad as people say it is (when it comes to handling - no excuses for the horrible sound design and some of the technical issues).

I honestly don't understand why tarmac Pikes Peak is so bad in DR. I mean - I don't think the tarmac handling is that bad when it comes to Germany. But Pikes Peak...it's just bad.

[Rallycameraman 241]

Subiesauce said:

Kakkela said:

xkevlarx said:

Kakkela said:

That section after Kakaristo junction is really narrow, I wish dr would have kept it real. Whole Ouninpohja is too wide in general, but that last section especially.

That is one thing where DiRT Rally is still holding our hands little bit, and the ditches... I can't imagine how these PS4/XBox threads would be if stages were as narrow as they really are.

I think the width of Ouninpohja is quite close to real life in rbr, if only dirt rally had the hole stage and that it was a bit narrower

I think you'll find the width of the stage more accurate in DiRT. 

[Kakkela 3]

Rallycameraman said:

Subiesauce said:

Kakkela said:

xkevlarx said:

Kakkela said:

That section after Kakaristo junction is really narrow, I wish dr would have kept it real. Whole Ouninpohja is too wide in general, but that last section especially.

That is one thing where DiRT Rally is still holding our hands little bit, and the ditches... I can't imagine how these PS4/XBox threads would be if stages were as narrow as they really are.

I think the width of Ouninpohja is quite close to real life in rbr, if only dirt rally had the hole stage and that it was a bit narrower

I think you'll find the width of the stage more accurate in DiRT. 

In some parts of the stage it's okay, but there are definitely places where DiRT stage is about twice as wide as real world.

[bogani 756]

CaseF said:

Kakkela said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xauNU2CUDN8

Someone made nice effort comparing SLRE and DiRT 208 T16. I have driven it lately just with pad in SLRE (it doesn't' support two devices at the same time so cant use my pedals since I switched to T300RS) but it's clear that something is very wrong in DiRTs car.

I'm that someone (I lurk here occassionally).

And as for "why are people acting so surprised that tarmac physics is off in DR" that was mentioned - well, I'm not really surprised. I've always felt that at least Pikes Peak tarmac is really weird. But like I say in the description of the video, it was kinda possible to make an excuse to yourself and think that maybe the cars handle so weird because they're quite old and not that sophisticated, maybe their tyres are not that great etc. Also sliding the cars around was quite fun, even if it felt quite off.

I was really looking forward to the 208 coming to DR. I was hoping it would be great. But it's not. Not for me, at least. I was looking forward to driving it and now, when we have it, it's probably my least favorite car in the whole game. It's not fun at all to drive. It's terrible and frustrating and really disappointing. And that disappointment is why I made the video (or rather why I wrote what I wrote in its description, the video is still just a comparison). Also, I like SLRE quite a lot, feel like it's been treated quite unfairly by a lot of people and I want to show that it's not as bad as people say it is (when it comes to handling - no excuses for the horrible sound design and some of the technical issues).

I honestly don't understand why tarmac Pikes Peak is so bad in DR. I mean - I don't think the tarmac handling is that bad when it comes to Germany. But Pikes Peak...it's just bad.

I know Paul stated that if rally cars drove like in vanilla RBR, all rally drivers would be dead, and I agree.

Now that we have the 208PP I think that statement is relevant again. If the 208PP drove like it does in DR, Sebastien Loeb would not do any RX this year. Or any year. ;)

[xkevlarx 0]

bogani said:

Now that we have the 208PP I think that statement is relevant again. If the 208PP drove like it does in DR, Sebastien Loeb would not do any RX this year. Or any year. ;)

Instead of driving a record time in PP,  Loeb would have told Peugeot to get their shit together.

[KevM 44]

208PP Ken Block Edition                                                 

[xkevlarx 0]

Rallycameraman said:

I think you'll find the width of the stage more accurate in DiRT. 

Quick comparison of how far off the mark DR really is. I'd say a lot. Both are from same location dr vs irl. Also in DR you have drivable ditches which increase the usable road width even more.

[KevM 44]

What id give to hammer down that in the game.  That WOULD be on the knife-edge!! Class!

[V8SC 0]

The inbuilt lag that was put into SLR, that was taken out, then put back in renders the game useless.
The painfully slow speed that the driver movers his arms is unbearable, this completely destroys the game, its a shame because theres good content there.
The worst handling rally ive ever played, DR is like a dream boat compared to the handling and physics in SLR.

[gfRally 449]

xkevlarx said:

Rallycameraman said:

I think you'll find the width of the stage more accurate in DiRT. 

Quick comparison of how far off the mark DR really is. I'd say a lot. Both are from same location dr vs irl. Also in DR you have drivable ditches which increase the usable road width even more.

Im not the best driver, so this may be why, but I see this as an acceptable compromise.  Finland is really fast and flowing, i need some extra room to compensate for my speed and lack of ability.  

I understand everyone wanting it tight, maybe they should have just added in vegetation on the sides to give it that feel, while still having some room.

Finland is the most fun for me, its my goto place when i want to sneak in some racing before life gets in the way, but gives me a huge smile.  

[KevM 44]

KevM said:

What id give to hammer down that in the game.  That WOULD be on the knife-edge!! Class!

To add to that....
The tree's are well spaced, but the grass could be extended a couple of feet on each side to tighten the driving line.  In fact, with the new soft-edge capability from Sweden, they could run a stage with tracks that narrow no problem.  

Finland V2
The grassy edge would have a similar effect to the snowbanks in gently pulling you in, well before you'd fall into the ditch/tree's.  Jumps would be toned down to suit the V2 car's grounding a lot more, which would transform the flow of the stage entirely.  Without the massive air-time, you'd feel a lot more connected to whats going on.  The stage would be nearly as fast as it is currently, but you'd require the precision of Sweden to achieve the times

With the current level of lateral grip though, the corners would be more brake, point, squirt, which doesnt flow.  Why drive round a corner at 65mph, when you can 4 wheel power-slide it at 85 ?  Less is more!!!
:p  

That would be immense!

https://youtu.be/YU6_xjrCmN0

https://youtu.be/ZhMO7KCr790

[xkevlarx 0]

Plus it's irl medium gravel and less grippy than we have in dr, which is light gravel all across Ouninpohja. It's really technical section, not a high speed extravaganza and would reward precision drivers. It would have offered some variety to Finnish stages, now everything's just same autobahn. Bad design decision imo and huge disappointment initially, especially when I have been very aware how it is in real life, being Finn and all. That whole narrow section only one third or one fourth of the whole Ouninpohja so all-over-the-place-drivers wouldn't really need to worry all that much about the width, and would have the wider sections for themselves to enjoy. There's even an achievement for Finland which states 'there are narrow and rough sections'.  Huh, what, where?

Now we see driving like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubYSysTialc


When it should look like this (starts 10:10):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2s-WqXcG9A

It's a ditch plowing simulator instead of a rally game.

[Draconian666 0]

TPJP said:

warpengage said:

Is it just me or does the modelling on the cars of SLRE look off?

Nah I also think some of them look oddly shaped and are of PS2 quality overal

this game has no poor quality in graphics besides the people standing.  Ps2 is pixelated trash. This game is 95% smooth in detail. Anybody ever pay attention to the scenery when shredding on the tracks? Thats where most games fail. All those trees and mountains and great lighting who could say graphics are ps2? Go get a ps2 play need for speed and come back to dirtrally and say that

[shadow118 18]

Draconian666 said:

TPJP said:

warpengage said:

Is it just me or does the modelling on the cars of SLRE look off?

Nah I also think some of them look oddly shaped and are of PS2 quality overal

this game has no poor quality in graphics besides the people standing.  Ps2 is pixelated trash. This game is 95% smooth in detail. Anybody ever pay attention to the scenery when shredding on the tracks? Thats where most games fail. All those trees and mountains and great lighting who could say graphics are ps2? Go get a ps2 play need for speed and come back to dirtrally and say that

They were talking about Sebastien Loeb Rally, not DiRT Rally

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3XacrJqjDY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyf6IdStChY

And here is a run on ouninpohja on rbr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya8eKbipfRk

I couldn't find any good real lif e comparison videos with rbr and ouninpohja

And this is for all of those who still don't have the summer mod for finland on pc.. All credits to the creator

http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/summer-in-finland.7879/

[Darhour 3]

What I hated mostly about the Finnish stages in DR are the ditches and high level surface. DR got it wrong and made it quite unfriendly to tackle. When you jump from corner to the next corner, you will likely stump into a tree or dip into a ditch. It felt like it was designed for a Defender's offroad event and it is gloomier than the actual location.

[bogani 756]

Darhour said:

What I hated mostly about the Finnish stages in DR are the ditches and high level surface. DR got it wrong and made it quite unfriendly to tackle. When you jump from corner to the next corner, you will likely stump into a tree or dip into a ditch. 

Yup, you always end up landing in the middle of the next jump. Bouncing around the stage. Completely ruins the flow.

To me it feels like Finland still has one foot in the older Dirt titles compared to the other rallies.

[xkevlarx 0]

Subiesauce said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya8eKbipfRk

I couldn't find any good real lif e comparison videos with rbr and ouninpohja

That looks like some Ouninpohja version I've never seen, maybe old. There are couple of more accurate representations, I think 2013 version was the latest and it's pretty spot on re road width. It's what I've been driving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWcYumP6baU

[bogani 756]

xkevlarx said:

Subiesauce said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya8eKbipfRk

I couldn't find any good real lif e comparison videos with rbr and ouninpohja

That looks like some Ouninpohja version I've never seen, maybe old. There are couple of more accurate representations, I think 2013 version was the latest and it's pretty spot on re road width. It's what I've been driving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWcYumP6baU

That version looks really impressive. What physics mod is it?

[KevM 44]

That's such a different stage to the Ouninpohja BTB version I had been playing.  Pretty accurate too!