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JZStudios said:

bogani said:

JZStudios said:

RyuMakkuro said:

JZStudios said:

It's the worst system I could possibly think of. I get the refunds on indie games that are short, but if you legitimately didn't like the game you should be able to get your money back period. This is why I like consoles more. It takes me like 2 hours to begin to get the game set up and working and by that point I can't refund it. I also got ripped off by the refund.

Some games can be finished in under 2 hours. And I'm not talking about speedruns. Some take a lot more to be able to tell however they can't create different time for each game. They went for 2 hours and I believe it's enough.
It doesn't take that long to realise if the game is worth the money or not, especially a racing game. You get in, custom event, try few races (preferably in different classes) and you should be good to go.
If you have a whole sim rig then you should know it will take you over 2 hours to set it up, so no point trying to play the game with it. Use a gamepad for testing purposes. You don't need a steering wheel to be able to tell if the game is worth it or not. And what's most important, if you're buying a game make sure you are aware of the reviews and general reception. That way you have some idea of what to expect. If you're going blind then the only thing you can blame is... well, yourself.

So, console games, and physical copies at stores, let you sell them or trade them in in the first week for full price. You can absolutely beat the game in a week, but if you do, and decide you don't really want to play it ever again, that's basically just $60 you wasted. I get that Steam has really short indie games, but I feel like the same still applies. If you repurchase it later, then make that purchase non refundable. I mean, I can still go and sell any 8 year old 360 game and get something for it. Maybe Steam should make a community marketplace so people can buy/trade games. Actually, that'd be pretty cool. Solves a LOT of the problems. I'm happy that I'm not stuck with a game I don't want, the other guys (probably) happy that he now get's what he wants, for presumably a bit cheaper, I'll take a small hit. The developers still happy because they're game is still technically sold, AND you don't have to worry about a disc being scratched or something.

I'm not sure I follow here. You want to be able to get a full refund after you have beaten the game?

I've trudged through every call of duty from one until black ops. Yes, I want my money back. At no point did I enjoy my stay. (I should also note that I played the first ones on someone else's PS2 and 4/BO on a friends Xbox) If I start a game I usually finish it, but I might not ever play it again. It's a waste of money. I know it's a weird concept for you PC guys to... save money... or get your money back... but trust me, it works.

Why would you trudge yourself through multiple games that you clearly don't enjoy in the first place? I guess you must like to punish yourself?

I have no idea where you live, but here in my country you can't bring a game back to get a full refund unless the seal is intact. Sure, you can trade the used game in at certain stores, but not get a full refund. I like the idea though. You can basically get every story driven game for free if you finish it in a week. Awesome.

Do you also request a refund after you've been to the cinema? "Hey I'm not gonna see this again, I want my money back".

[Kakkela 3]

JZStudios said:

I've trudged through every call of duty from one until black ops. Yes, I want my money back. At no point did I enjoy my stay. (I should also note that I played the first ones on someone else's PS2 and 4/BO on a friends Xbox) If I start a game I usually finish it, but I might not ever play it again. It's a waste of money. I know it's a weird concept for you PC guys to... save money... or get your money back... but trust me, it works.

If some store gave you full refund then its all on them, they feel they can sell the game at full price again so they take the leap... But in most places this just isn't case.
There are laws about refunds and I think those are reasonable, everything beyond that is just bonus. And not liking a game isn't one of those reasons, blatant false marketing and issues with compatibility are to name few. 
Of course reselling games has been a thing before and all that, but world changes and there are countless of users that are okay with Steam's current system.
2 hours is plenty enough to determine if game 1) Works 2) Is even remotely to your liking (bonus that really isn't granted by law)

In Finland for example, computer program (games probably would fall under this) isn't covered under the normal return law about distance selling(?? internet and phone sales, not sure if there is correct English term for this??) if seal is broken (in Steam playing the game would be breaking the seal) so Steam is just going beyond for users benefit. If you abuse it by refunding games that are short, you are just asshole.

[DocStrangelove 165]

JZStudios said:

I've trudged through every call of duty from one until black ops.

Want some popcorn?

[DocStrangelove 165]

But seriously, why do you play through every CoD if you never enjoyed any of it? EA sometimes lets you play their games for a limited time, for example Battlefield 4 for a week. A week is certainly enough for its 6 hours or so campaign, I decided to finish it, but after 4-5 hours I just couldn't take it anymore, it was so awful, and so I abandoned it. But that even was better than CoD. Don't remember exactly which one it was, I think Blops 2, I played a bit into the campaign, and God, that was probably the stupidest and most pointless game I ever played. Including Goat Simulator.

[JZStudios 631]

bogani said:

JZStudios said:

bogani said:

JZStudios said:

RyuMakkuro said:

JZStudios said:

It's the worst system I could possibly think of. I get the refunds on indie games that are short, but if you legitimately didn't like the game you should be able to get your money back period. This is why I like consoles more. It takes me like 2 hours to begin to get the game set up and working and by that point I can't refund it. I also got ripped off by the refund.

Some games can be finished in under 2 hours. And I'm not talking about speedruns. Some take a lot more to be able to tell however they can't create different time for each game. They went for 2 hours and I believe it's enough.
It doesn't take that long to realise if the game is worth the money or not, especially a racing game. You get in, custom event, try few races (preferably in different classes) and you should be good to go.
If you have a whole sim rig then you should know it will take you over 2 hours to set it up, so no point trying to play the game with it. Use a gamepad for testing purposes. You don't need a steering wheel to be able to tell if the game is worth it or not. And what's most important, if you're buying a game make sure you are aware of the reviews and general reception. That way you have some idea of what to expect. If you're going blind then the only thing you can blame is... well, yourself.

So, console games, and physical copies at stores, let you sell them or trade them in in the first week for full price. You can absolutely beat the game in a week, but if you do, and decide you don't really want to play it ever again, that's basically just $60 you wasted. I get that Steam has really short indie games, but I feel like the same still applies. If you repurchase it later, then make that purchase non refundable. I mean, I can still go and sell any 8 year old 360 game and get something for it. Maybe Steam should make a community marketplace so people can buy/trade games. Actually, that'd be pretty cool. Solves a LOT of the problems. I'm happy that I'm not stuck with a game I don't want, the other guys (probably) happy that he now get's what he wants, for presumably a bit cheaper, I'll take a small hit. The developers still happy because they're game is still technically sold, AND you don't have to worry about a disc being scratched or something.

I'm not sure I follow here. You want to be able to get a full refund after you have beaten the game?

I've trudged through every call of duty from one until black ops. Yes, I want my money back. At no point did I enjoy my stay. (I should also note that I played the first ones on someone else's PS2 and 4/BO on a friends Xbox) If I start a game I usually finish it, but I might not ever play it again. It's a waste of money. I know it's a weird concept for you PC guys to... save money... or get your money back... but trust me, it works.

Why would you trudge yourself through multiple games that you clearly don't enjoy in the first place? I guess you must like to punish yourself?

I have no idea where you live, but here in my country you can't bring a game back to get a full refund unless the seal is intact. Sure, you can trade the used game in at certain stores, but not get a full refund. I like the idea though. You can basically get every story driven game for free if you finish it in a week. Awesome.

Do you also request a refund after you've been to the cinema? "Hey I'm not gonna see this again, I want my money back".

Because there was literally nothing else to play, and I was curious to see if it was ever anything more than a crappy rip of medal of honor. It's not.
Gamestop allows a full refund return for the first week. It's like renting a movie. After a week, if the disc is fine, frankly it shouldn't drop in value unless it's like Duke Nukem. Of which, was very returned, and dropped in price immediately. I would absolutely F'in hate to have bought that game and been stuck with it.
Actually, yes, you can. :P But I A. Don't go to movies, and B. Usually based on the trailer can determine if I want to see it to avoid that. If not, and the movie absolutely SUCKS then I won't sit through it and I'll get my money back... or sneak into another movie.

Kakkela said:

JZStudios said:

I've trudged through every call of duty from one until black ops. Yes, I want my money back. At no point did I enjoy my stay. (I should also note that I played the first ones on someone else's PS2 and 4/BO on a friends Xbox) If I start a game I usually finish it, but I might not ever play it again. It's a waste of money. I know it's a weird concept for you PC guys to... save money... or get your money back... but trust me, it works.

If some store gave you full refund then its all on them, they feel they can sell the game at full price again so they take the leap... But in most places this just isn't case.
There are laws about refunds and I think those are reasonable, everything beyond that is just bonus. And not liking a game isn't one of those reasons, blatant false marketing and issues with compatibility are to name few. 
Of course reselling games has been a thing before and all that, but world changes and there are countless of users that are okay with Steam's current system.
2 hours is plenty enough to determine if game 1) Works 2) Is even remotely to your liking (bonus that really isn't granted by law)

In Finland for example, computer program (games probably would fall under this) isn't covered under the normal return law about distance selling(?? internet and phone sales, not sure if there is correct English term for this??) if seal is broken (in Steam playing the game would be breaking the seal) so Steam is just going beyond for users benefit. If you abuse it by refunding games that are short, you are just asshole.

I don't refund games for being short. I return them for sucking. It's like buying any other product. Like, you buy a prebuilt PC (gross) and the liquid cooling leaks and f ucks it, then you're completely out. I want my money back. Let's say I buy a Thrustmaster wheel, and it lights itself on fire. I want my money back. Let's say I buy a second wheel, which also kills itself. I want my money back. True stories. why would a game/digital media be different? You can virtually rent a movie, but most games don't even make demo's anymore. That 1 week period is like demo playtesting.

FYI I have The Stanley Parable and Ethan Carter. I bought Stanley because it's brilliant, and Ethan because it's pretty. The story is... okay... If I get a new GPU, the Ethan will be my benchmark, and I'm okay with that. Buying something like AC which takes 2 hours to set up, and suddenly out of time on, is aggravating. In this day and age you're now expected to pre-order a game, with no demo, and just not be able to return it. Why does that make sense? Movies have trailers, and they're significantly shorter, and you can rent it. Why not with games? It makes no sense.

DocStrangelove said:

JZStudios said:

I've trudged through every call of duty from one until black ops.

Want some popcorn?

I'd love some!

DocStrangelove said:

But seriously, why do you play through every CoD if you never enjoyed any of it? EA sometimes lets you play their games for a limited time, for example Battlefield 4 for a week. A week is certainly enough for its 6 hours or so campaign, I decided to finish it, but after 4-5 hours I just couldn't take it anymore, it was so awful, and so I abandoned it. But that even was better than CoD. Don't remember exactly which one it was, I think Blops 2, I played a bit into the campaign, and God, that was probably the stupidest and most pointless game I ever played. Including Goat Simulator.

Not on PS2 they didn't. BF4 I have like 500 hours on with my friends PS4 and my PC. I actually bought it on my PC. I also use my friends games as demo's to see if I want it. :P he's got money, it's fine.
Stay AWAY from the BF4 single player. It's not healthy. It absolutely sucks. BF3 had some cool moments, but BF was always a multiplayer thing. On 360, BF3 cam with a singleplayer disc and multiplayer disc, and everyone just threw away the singleplayer disc. I just wish the guys that did the MOH reboot would do the BF campaign, the MOH reboot was awesome. It's kind of weird, but they made it so if you stab someone you can can keep stabbing them as they fell, all the way until you were laying on the ground still stabbing them. It was awesome. I heard the PC port isn't great though. But no demo. PC games need a demo. Even if it's like JC2's half hour demo, but you can keep restarting it.

[Kakkela 3]

JZStudios said:

I don't refund games for being short. I return them for sucking. It's like buying any other product. Like, you buy a prebuilt PC (gross) and the liquid cooling leaks and f ucks it, then you're completely out. I want my money back. Let's say I buy a Thrustmaster wheel, and it lights itself on fire. I want my money back. Let's say I buy a second wheel, which also kills itself. I want my money back. True stories. why would a game/digital media be different? You can virtually rent a movie, but most games don't even make demo's anymore. That 1 week period is like demo playtesting.

FYI I have The Stanley Parable and Ethan Carter. I bought Stanley because it's brilliant, and Ethan because it's pretty. The story is... okay... If I get a new GPU, the Ethan will be my benchmark, and I'm okay with that. Buying something like AC which takes 2 hours to set up, and suddenly out of time on, is aggravating. In this day and age you're now expected to pre-order a game, with no demo, and just not be able to return it. Why does that make sense? Movies have trailers, and they're significantly shorter, and you can rent it. Why not with games? It makes no sense.

Game sucking is not equal to something not working or having manufacturing faults... And AC doesn't take over half an hour to setup when you look things up in advance as you are supposed to do when making any kind of purchase. I feel like this is that same conversation we have had with new console users this spring, you should do your research before buying the game and after that 2 hours is enough to test it on your own system and spotting compatibility problems.

[JZStudios 631]

Kakkela said:

JZStudios said:

I don't refund games for being short. I return them for sucking. It's like buying any other product. Like, you buy a prebuilt PC (gross) and the liquid cooling leaks and f ucks it, then you're completely out. I want my money back. Let's say I buy a Thrustmaster wheel, and it lights itself on fire. I want my money back. Let's say I buy a second wheel, which also kills itself. I want my money back. True stories. why would a game/digital media be different? You can virtually rent a movie, but most games don't even make demo's anymore. That 1 week period is like demo playtesting.

FYI I have The Stanley Parable and Ethan Carter. I bought Stanley because it's brilliant, and Ethan because it's pretty. The story is... okay... If I get a new GPU, the Ethan will be my benchmark, and I'm okay with that. Buying something like AC which takes 2 hours to set up, and suddenly out of time on, is aggravating. In this day and age you're now expected to pre-order a game, with no demo, and just not be able to return it. Why does that make sense? Movies have trailers, and they're significantly shorter, and you can rent it. Why not with games? It makes no sense.

Game sucking is not equal to something not working or having manufacturing faults... And AC doesn't take over half an hour to setup when you look things up in advance as you are supposed to do when making any kind of purchase. I feel like this is that same conversation we have had with new console users this spring, you should do your research before buying the game and after that 2 hours is enough to test it on your own system and spotting compatibility problems.

Well, you can continue wasting your money then. Have fun.

[F2CMaDMaXX 505]

I think people are trying to say you're unreasonably entitled.

[BadD0g 0]

JZStudios said:

Kakkela said:

Game sucking is not equal to something not working or having manufacturing faults... And AC doesn't take over half an hour to setup when you look things up in advance as you are supposed to do when making any kind of purchase. I feel like this is that same conversation we have had with new console users this spring, you should do your research before buying the game and after that 2 hours is enough to test it on your own system and spotting compatibility problems.

Well, you can continue wasting your money then. Have fun.

He just told you that you can avoid wasting money by doing research, then you wouldn't have to bother with a refund at all.

[RyuMakkuro 6]

JZStudios said:
Well, you can continue wasting your money then. Have fun.

I'm pretty darn sure the whole thing started because you wasted money on a game you did not have fun in. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

[JZStudios 631]

F2CMaDMaXX said:

I think people are trying to say you're unreasonably entitled.

Wanting to return a product you aren't happy with isn't weird or entitled. I can sleep trial a mattress or a couch. I can use those sometimes for up to 3 months before sending them back. Some things just don't work for you. And I don't want to have to search through random forums to try and figure out if a stupid game will work with my unique system that no one else has. I can rent a movie. Why not pay $5 to rent a game for a week and get that $% off when you purchase the full game? I'm really confused as to why you guys seem so against not wasting money.

RyuMakkuro said:

JZStudios said:
Well, you can continue wasting your money then. Have fun.

I'm pretty darn sure the whole thing started because you wasted money on a game you did not have fun in. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Well, sort of. During the summer sale I bought a few games, including Burnout Paradise Ultimate. It wasn't ultimate, and I figured out that for some reason BSI never came to PC so I asked for a refund from the completely false advertising and they refunded the 3-4 other games as well, which I then had to repurchase at a higher price. So I got screwed out of money because I was lied to, but that's okay I guess, because it's a game. I'm not saying I'm going to go out of my way to buy, play, and return COD, but some games that get hyped up or I have someone convince me into buying into, or even an EA title that never launches, and I'm unhappy with it, yeah, I'd like my money back. It's not a weird fucking thing. And it does take me an hour to set up AC because it's a shit game. I honestly prefer PCars. It's absolutely bizarre to me that you guys are so oddly against being able to actually return or otherwise sell a game. I just want GOG.com to get more games because it's vastly superior.

[Kakkela 3]

Research is major part of making a purchase, never buy a big in a bag etc etc. You save money by making better decisions and you should know beforehand if you like something or not. Refund should be last option when game just doesn't work. Steam is being generous by not asking questions and just giving refunds.

No game takes over two hours to setup, I want to really hear your story about setting AC up in over two hours.

Never heard about testing couch or bed at home, few minutes in store is enough for most people. 

[JZStudios 631]

Kakkela said:

Research is major part of making a purchase, never buy a big in a bag etc etc. You save money by making better decisions and you should know beforehand if you like something or not. Refund should be last option when game just doesn't work. Steam is being generous by not asking questions and just giving refunds.

No game takes over two hours to setup, I want to really hear your story about setting AC up in over two hours.

Never heard about testing couch or bed at home, few minutes in store is enough for most people. 

How exactly am I supposed to know if I'll just like it? So, wait, alright. Everyone who pre-orders a game is excited for it right? So that's $60 spent, and if when the game comes out they don't like it, what then? Well F them they pre-ordered for a game they were excited about? You've never done "research" on a game and still been disappointed? Like I am with AC? I only play it now because I can't return it. Everyone talked about how amazing it was, and it's like black magic it's so good, and the mod support, yada, yada, yada, and so I bought it, and it's disappointing. And the game constantly just decides to stop working, it will lose wheel settings, and getting it set up for triple screen. Am I supposed to drive for like 3 minutes then just say, "Nope, don't like it?" Who does that? It's like watching the first 15 minutes of a show or movie and then just quitting. Some are sure, genuinely awful, but others, based on everyone else's hype and recommendation you stick with it a little bit, then oh look, you just got screwed. Any time I try to watch a new series I always watch 2-3 episodes, unless it REALLY sucks. It's the same thing.

[Darhour 3]

Thats why there should be proper demos for players who easily get upset about the game after a 5 min trial of gameplay. There is one major problem with these game studios nowadays which is the agressive marketing. Reviews and opinions can be easily traded to make you want to buy the game even if it never seems to be great to you or even if you got bored from playing it after a few minutes when you presumably purchased it. These policies will only make gaming community bleed to death or the interest in gaming would drastically decrease since such studios are no longer interested in quality rather than quantity that often urges them to release nonsensical sequels like EA, Ubisoft and so on. Marketing can deceive you in many ways by exposing you to such product and that unthinkable urge to buy that product because ppl said that it is AMAZING. 

[RyuMakkuro 6]

JZStudios said:

RyuMakkuro said:

JZStudios said:
Well, you can continue wasting your money then. Have fun.

I'm pretty darn sure the whole thing started because you wasted money on a game you did not have fun in. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Well, sort of. During the summer sale I bought a few games, including Burnout Paradise Ultimate. It wasn't ultimate, and I figured out that for some reason BSI never came to PC so I asked for a refund from the completely false advertising and they refunded the 3-4 other games as well, which I then had to repurchase at a higher price.

Ultimate edition refers to all the DLCs released for the consoles BEFORE the PC release. It works the same way for consoles and PCs. No false advertising there. They probably wrote something like "released so far" in which case you need to know when that "so far" was. Looking at release date helps in that case.
Again, it just shows you don't really do any "research" before buying things, which leads you to waste money and claim things that are not actually correct.

Also, if you bought through Steam or Origin or in other words a digital version, all you bought was an access to the game. I'm quite sure that if you would want to actually buy the game, the price would be a lot bigger. Tell me, how you want to return an access then while proving you haven't used it? The only way to make sure you haven't used the access for what you needed is to give a time restraint.
With a product like a sofa you can sleep trial it, of course, as long as you don't damage it. Once you do, you're forced to buy it. With the used market on the console games it's very simple. Console games on physical drives don't have cd-keys, aka the disc is the authenticator, unlike the digital versions which require cd-key or other form of non-physical authentication. The used market for PC games and digital copies doesn't exist basically, as once you redeem the cd-key you can't "un-redeem" it from your account.

[ZAMOY72 0]

Is this still SLRE off topic thread?????

[JZStudios 631]

RyuMakkuro said:

JZStudios said:

RyuMakkuro said:

JZStudios said:
Well, you can continue wasting your money then. Have fun.

I'm pretty darn sure the whole thing started because you wasted money on a game you did not have fun in. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Well, sort of. During the summer sale I bought a few games, including Burnout Paradise Ultimate. It wasn't ultimate, and I figured out that for some reason BSI never came to PC so I asked for a refund from the completely false advertising and they refunded the 3-4 other games as well, which I then had to repurchase at a higher price.

Ultimate edition refers to all the DLCs released for the consoles BEFORE the PC release. It works the same way for consoles and PCs. No false advertising there. They probably wrote something like "released so far" in which case you need to know when that "so far" was. Looking at release date helps in that case.
Again, it just shows you don't really do any "research" before buying things, which leads you to waste money and claim things that are not actually correct.

Also, if you bought through Steam or Origin or in other words a digital version, all you bought was an access to the game. I'm quite sure that if you would want to actually buy the game, the price would be a lot bigger. Tell me, how you want to return an access then while proving you haven't used it? The only way to make sure you haven't used the access for what you needed is to give a time restraint.
With a product like a sofa you can sleep trial it, of course, as long as you don't damage it. Once you do, you're forced to buy it. With the used market on the console games it's very simple. Console games on physical drives don't have cd-keys, aka the disc is the authenticator, unlike the digital versions which require cd-key or other form of non-physical authentication. The used market for PC games and digital copies doesn't exist basically, as once you redeem the cd-key you can't "un-redeem" it from your account.

Nay nay, the ultimate box is now only available a certain way through the origin store. And that's if it's still available. The Steam version has zero DLC whatsoever and you can't get any of it. The Steam version is now literally false advertising, selling it as including all DLC, but including none. It was the reason I bought it. I could've even lived without BSI, but there was nothing else. Let's also point out that the ULTIMATE BOX's selling point is that it INCLUDES every DLC. That's why it's the ULTIMATE box. It is false advertising.

Tell me, the majority of other paid software has a free demo/trial period, why is a game any different than that? And why would I have to not use it? Why the hell would I buy anything, not use it or try it, then just return it? I'm fine with a time restraint, but 2 hours is absolute B.S. I wouldn't be so sure of the sleep trial damage thing. I used to work at a local furniture store (Which sucked) and I'm pretty sure the sleep trial mattresses we put on the floor had pee stains. All they did was spray it with formaldehyde.
I guess I agree that I would much rather have a physical disc and install the game that way, but the majority of discs are now also Steam keys, so you can't even resell those either. It's actually still a solvable problem by Steam creating a marketplace so you can sell/trade games. Technically, yeah, you would be selling the access, but that makes sense doesn't it? That's how discs used to work. The disc was the access key to the content on your HDD, it's the same with the consoles. You sell the access code, and then you can't play the game on your system. Steam has somehow become the entirety of PC gaming, except maybe minus EA's also horrible attempt at the Origin store.

[JZStudios 631]

ZAMOY72 said:

Is this still SLRE [off topic] thread?????

Well, yes.

[RyuMakkuro 6]

JZStudios said:
Nay nay, the ultimate box is now only available a certain way through the origin store. And that's if it's still available. The Steam version has zero DLC whatsoever and you can't get any of it. The Steam version is now literally false advertising, selling it as including all DLC, but including none. It was the reason I bought it. I could've even lived without BSI, but there was nothing else. Let's also point out that the ULTIMATE BOX's selling point is that it INCLUDES every DLC. That's why it's the ULTIMATE box. It is false advertising.

I understand you want to explain to yourself that you didn't completely made a fool out of yourself, but... accept the facts: http://store.steampowered.com/app/24740/

Read the description and to what "Ultimate Box" refers. Then realise it was named that when the game released on PC. The fact they released more DLCs later on doesn't change the fact it was accurate naming on its release date. What you're doing is like saying that a "modern shooter" that was released in let's say 2006 and the action in it was set in 2010 shouldn't be called modern because we live now in 2016.

Seriously, you've made a fool out of yourself enough. Everyone can see that now if they have a little brain. There's no shame in that though, we all made mistakes. So instead trying to make it seem like you didn't, simply accept it and learn from it.

[JZStudios 631]

RyuMakkuro said:

JZStudios said:
Nay nay, the ultimate box is now only available a certain way through the origin store. And that's if it's still available. The Steam version has zero DLC whatsoever and you can't get any of it. The Steam version is now literally false advertising, selling it as including all DLC, but including none. It was the reason I bought it. I could've even lived without BSI, but there was nothing else. Let's also point out that the ULTIMATE BOX's selling point is that it INCLUDES every DLC. That's why it's the ULTIMATE box. It is false advertising.

I understand you want to explain to yourself that you didn't completely made a fool out of yourself, but... accept the facts: http://store.steampowered.com/app/24740/

Read the description and to what "Ultimate Box" refers. Then realise it was named that when the game released on PC. The fact they released more DLCs later on doesn't change the fact it was accurate naming on its release date. What you're doing is like saying that a "modern shooter" that was released in let's say 2006 and the action in it was set in 2010 shouldn't be called modern because we live now in 2016.

Seriously, you've made a fool out of yourself enough. Everyone can see that now if they have a little brain. There's no shame in that though, we all made mistakes. So instead trying to make it seem like you didn't, simply accept it and learn from it.

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Alright, fine you got me. The ultimate box for PC is actually just the base game on the consoles. Sorry, I expected them to be the same. I know for a fact I never bought the Ultimate for 360, yet there was all the same content, meanwhile the DLC was to be included in the Ultimate box. Shame on EA. But, yeah, fuck it, I'm a goddamn moron because I had the ridiculous notion that the shit would be the same. You're right, fuck me, I'm an idiot, and I'll spend my money on shitty games people enticed me to play, and can't refund it, because wasting all my fucking money is a way better solution. Thanks for the help Doc, you're so much fucking smarter than me. Doing all the fucking research in the world doesn't make me instantly know if I'll like a goddamn game I haven't played, but fuck it, wasting money is cool right?

[Darhour 3]

Honestly, sorry to criticise your attitude but you seem to be completely intolerant with people's opinions and incapable of accepting people's attitude. Your emotions do really overshadow your logical way of thinking as you lack empathy with people. This means you whine a lot as your arguments are outrageous and I have been noticing that. We no longer need that to conduct a discussion or to live as decent and respectful human beings. If you do not appreciate a situation, try not to mingle it with your personal situation.

Do not get offended by certain misunderstood policies.

[JZStudios 631]

Darhour said:

Honestly, sorry to criticise your attitude but you seem to be completely intolerant with people's opinions and incapable of accepting people's attitude. Your emotions do really overshadow your logical way of thinking as you lack empathy with people. This means you whine a lot as your arguments are outrageous and I have been noticing that. We no longer need that to conduct a discussion or to live as decent and respectful human beings. If you do not appreciate a situation, try not to mingle it with your personal situation.

Do not get offended by certain misunderstood policies.

I made a simple statement that the Steam refund, and Steam itself sucks. Then everyone got all weird on me. I don't understand how everyone can apparently just look at a game or read poor reviews and just know they'll like the longevity of it. It makes no logical sense. Almost everything else you spend money on you can preview it in some way, you can't do that with a game without playing it. Unless it's something like bear simulator, I'm going to spend a little bit of time getting used to how the game plays and the story moves. It's like trying to figure out if you like the BF4 multiplayer after 2 hours, you're still going to suck. It doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe I just suck at games, but I want a bigger window than 2 hours so I don't get screwed out of money. But apparantly that's only something an idiot would do. So yeah, I'm a whiny narcissistic idiot. Continue along with the discussion of this crap game that only recently got a demo, so people can try it without being screwed out of their money.
Also, I'm intolerant, when I just say I'd like a bigger window and three different people jump on me? Sure, okay. I guess I'm also intolerant when I now refuse to buy another Thrustmaster product after I spent nearly $400 on accessories and 2 wheels that both killed themselves, also priced at $400. I see you're point, being screwed out of massive amounts of money is super fun.

[Kakkela 3]

JZStudios said:

Darhour said:

Honestly, sorry to criticise your attitude but you seem to be completely intolerant with people's opinions and incapable of accepting people's attitude. Your emotions do really overshadow your logical way of thinking as you lack empathy with people. This means you whine a lot as your arguments are outrageous and I have been noticing that. We no longer need that to conduct a discussion or to live as decent and respectful human beings. If you do not appreciate a situation, try not to mingle it with your personal situation.

Do not get offended by certain misunderstood policies.

I made a simple statement that the Steam refund, and Steam itself sucks. Then everyone got all weird on me. I don't understand how everyone can apparently just look at a game or read poor reviews and just know they'll like the longevity of it. It makes no logical sense. Almost everything else you spend money on you can preview it in some way, you can't do that with a game without playing it. Unless it's something like bear simulator, I'm going to spend a little bit of time getting used to how the game plays and the story moves. It's like trying to figure out if you like the BF4 multiplayer after 2 hours, you're still going to suck. It doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe I just suck at games, but I want a bigger window than 2 hours so I don't get screwed out of money. But apparantly that's only something an idiot would do. So yeah, I'm a whiny narcissistic idiot. Continue along with the discussion of this crap game that only recently got a demo, so people can try it without being screwed out of their money.
Also, I'm intolerant, when I just say I'd like a bigger window and three different people jump on me? Sure, okay. I guess I'm also intolerant when I now refuse to buy another Thrustmaster product after I spent nearly $400 on accessories and 2 wheels that both killed themselves, also priced at $400. I see you're point, being screwed out of massive amounts of money is super fun.

I'll let everything else pass, but SLRE had demo before it got released. I know because I drove it then...

[RyuMakkuro 6]

JZStudios said:
It's like trying to figure out if you like the BF4 multiplayer after 2 hours, you're still going to suck.

Yes, aside from the fact BF4 is only available through Origin which gives you 24 hours to refund it after you first launch the game (within 7 days from purchasing it). Steam on the other hand gives you 2 hours of playtime within 14 days of purchase to make a 100% surefire refund. If you played more, they will look at the case and decide then.

Seriously, Steam isn't perfect, but it definitely doesn't suck. Your precious gog.com (which is great btw) provides a 30 day refund but... only if the game doesn't work (technical issues aka bugs preventing the game to work at all, not unable to setup a sim-rig). Any other reason won't give you a refund.