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Hi all,

i write this post to share an issue i found in every F1 2015 game modes (quick race, championship and pro):
The AI race pace compared with the qualifying pace is not "real" because they are simply too fast. I make an example.

Silverstone, AI expert, full lenght weekend without assist, dry weather.
Pole position for HAM, 1.36.0
Second place for me (VET), 1.36.2
Third place for ROS, 1.36.3

The race starts, and the first lap of HAM and ROS was about 1.41, mine was 1.43... and that's could be ok.
The strange thing happens now: in the next laps, race pace of HAM and ROS (but even BOT and MAS) was about 1.38, while mine was 1.41-1.42. After 5 laps my gap from the leader HAM was about 12 seconds!

An F1 car slow down at least 0.3/0.4 seconds for 10kg of fuel, so with the full load (100kg), the race pace can't be only 2 seconds slower than pole position!
In a real F1 race, pace in the first laps is 6-7-8 seconds slower than pole position, and even the fastest lap of the race is about 4 seconds slower than pole, also because drivers need to preserve their tyres.

Another strange things is that my race pace is "compatible" with what happens in the real world, so the physics engine is very good in taking account of fuel load and variation of car handling! But seems this is not the case for the AI, they seems to have a special boost  :)

Anyone experienced this situation?
Solution or investigation by devs?

Thank you very much!

PS: Platform is PS4

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I think it's been known for a while that the race feels harder than qualifying. My experience is a little similar to yours, just that it's not to this degree. I've done One-Shot Qualifying at Silverstone on all difficulties and these were the results on Xbox One. These were taken before the latest AI Pace update.  I think you will get a better race if you use One-Shot Qualifying.






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Lol. In Silverstone, you can do a 1.30 in either mercedes w06 during qualifying. I did a 1.30.7 with Hamilton, even better than my time trial lap by a few hundreds. The Mercedes at Silverstone feels like a dream car in comparison to other tracks... And I think, that the Ferrari's gap to the Mercedes at Silverstone is like that... I havent gotten within 2-3 seconds of my W06 time with the Sf15t...

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And probably, just to help you more out, you need more practice at Silverstone because it's not a difficult track. In Legend, the pace should be at around 1:37-1:38's during the first part of the race...

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Lol. In Silverstone, you can do a 1.30 in either mercedes w06 during qualifying. I did a 1.30.7 with Hamilton, even better than my time trial lap by a few hundreds. The Mercedes at Silverstone feels like a dream car in comparison to other tracks... And I think, that the Ferrari's gap to the Mercedes at Silverstone is like that... I havent gotten within 2-3 seconds of my W06 time with the Sf15t...
You're totally off topic... Damn, where did you learn to read ? The second post same story.... You're really really fast, congrats, youhou ! But he is not talking about your best lap or a gap between two cars, he's talking about evolution of the pace (hello title !) and he seems to be right.

@Fax3D 
You should try on Legend for compare pole lap/best lap in reality and in F1 2015. 
If it's true, that seems to point the fuel effect (weight) is  softer/lighter than reality.

When you said :
"in the next laps, race pace of HAM and ROS (but even BOT and MAS) was about 1.38"
Can you be more specific about "in the next laps" ? Like Hamilton gets the best lap (1.38") at lap 10 ?


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Thanks for your "in topic" reply @MRRRR 

When i say "in the next laps" i mean HAM did 1.38.8 in his second lap, and even in the next 10 laps he was around that pace.

I did a little comparison between AI legend and reality:

In 2015 real silverstone race, HAM did pole in 1.32.
Best lap of the race, turn 29, was 1.37: five second slower.

In game, ai legend, HAM did pole in 1.32 like in the real world, and that's fantastic!
But his second lap, with 100kg fuel, was 1.35!

That's the point, AI during race is too fast.

I race with a wheel without any assists, and if i try to go as fast as possibile in race i destroy my tires in 10 laps! But even going so fast, i cannot keep ai pace and my race become very hard.

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I haven't noticed them being to quick in the races as my pace is the same in quali as the race (compared with the AI) I drive the Ferrari as vettel and quali kimi is average 8tenths to a second slower and in the race he's 8tenths to a second slower also. My pace is usually 5 sec slower the first few laps but I normally am able to set my best lap times a few laps before my pit window as the car is getting lighter lap by lap and I treat my tires like jenson button lol! I know your saying the AI are to quick for the fuel they have on board but its not like we are not able to match or beat there times so practice with only heavy fuel and you will be soon be able to race them. Don't take the times from long quali as here pace tho as 50% of the time  they go a second slower in quali than they should be doing (do full practice to see the true times they should be setting) On the ps4 using a wheel, no assists and leg AI

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@vtidixon yes it's true, during practice ai is faster, about 1 second compared with they can do in qualy.
So do you think they are not too fast in race but too slow in qualy, so the difference in pace has to be viewed by another point of view?

You are 5 second slower in the first laps, and me too.. while ai in the first laps is only 2-3...

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Fax3D said:9
Thanks for your "in topic" reply @MRRRR 

When i say "in the next laps" i mean HAM did 1.38.8 in his second lap, and even in the next 10 laps he was around that pace.

I did a little comparison between AI legend and reality:

In 2015 real silverstone race, HAM did pole in 1.32.
Best lap of the race, turn 29, was 1.37: five second slower.

In game, ai legend, HAM did pole in 1.32 like in the real world, and that's fantastic!
But his second lap, with 100kg fuel, was 1.35!

That's the point, AI during race is too fast.

I race with a wheel without any assists, and if i try to go as fast as possibile in race i destroy my tires in 10 laps! But even going so fast, i cannot keep ai pace and my race become very hard.
Yes I know he is talking about the race pace, which on some tracks it is unreal. I race with a pad and no assists. However, I find that if codemasters have not looked at this, which has been posted a lot of times, then there must be something that we, drivers, are doing wrong.... We can match the pace of the ai on certain tracks, but sometimes we can only do it for a few laps and then we start to be inconsistent while they are consistent. I think we can match the ai, if we have the right tools...

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You should find qualifying pace improves by virtue of the AI having more space to actually go flat out once you get the latest patch. I'd be interested to hear what players on PC now think of the comparison of pace between quali and race.

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Thank you @Lozzy, hope last patch coming soon to PS4 to verify ai pace! So, any PC user can give a feedback?

@Krisperfectline you took the right point: AI is too consistent, they seems to feel lighter even with full fuel load, and they have a lighter tyre wear.
In my silverstone race, i was able to match the AI pace but only for 3/4 laps, and only after 15-20 laps of race when my Ferrari was lighter and with fresh tyres... but pushing too hard will destroy your tyres, while the AI seems not.

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Fax3D said:
@vtidixon yes it's true, during practice ai is faster, about 1 second compared with they can do in qualy.
So do you think they are not too fast in race but too slow in qualy, so the difference in pace has to be viewed by another point of view?

You are 5 second slower in the first laps, and me too.. while ai in the first laps is only 2-3...
Ye that's what I find sometimes anyway mate :( In all 3 practice sessions they will do low 26's around Melbourne (example) then come quali they do low to mid 27's. I think the race pace is really good this year and doing 100% races you can feel the car getting quicker as the fuel burns. I find the AI do suffer massive deg on there tyres this year so by the end of some stints im setting my quickest laps and the AI are loosing 1-2 sec a lap to me. I read the only way to get the true pace of the AI in quali  is using one shot but ive never tested to see if it works as that's not quali to me :)  Loozy you say the patch might change this but ive seen on more than 50 occasions Hamilton (example) not going out till the last few mins in quali getting stuck behind traffic and ending up say p8 then with no possible way of doing another flying lap (im watching on board and he doesn't have the time left) he ends the session in p2 with a lap time he didn't set so its clear its not just what they do on the track that gives them there grid positions! Soz for going off topic but there is so much wrong with the way quali is played out. Back on topic :) maybe up the difficulty for quali and lower for the race (if poss) to get a good match?

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maybe up the difficulty for quali and lower for the race (if poss) to get a good match?
@vtidixon i think's it's not possibile... strange because the older F1 games allowed to change AI difficult before any session... Anyway, thanks for your reply, maybe at the end of each stint i could come closer to ai.

@
Lozzy what do you think about the possibility to change AI difficult before any session? It's not possible right now, it's true? Maybe in a future patch? Thanks!

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