Anyone else getting too much tire punctures in Finland?

[Procver 3]

function9 said:

Procver said:

Well yes, I also think shocks should blow more often than tyres (especially on those long jumps), but in every rally I've seen in real life there was at least one or two cars with a flat tyre.
I rarely blow a tyre, but I admit I hit the brakes before lots of jumps in Finland.
Maybe it's not the frequency but the causes what's not quite right.

Please link to some footage of rally cars getting blowouts from landings. Cause I can't ever recall seeing it. You're trying to defend some behavior that isn't right by using a completely different (and wrong) argument. Because punctures are at times a frequent consequence in rallying, we should accept getting punctures in the game on landings. :|

You misunderstand me, that's why I said "Maybe it's not the frequency but the causes what's not quite right." meaning it is ok that punctures happen kind of often, but I'd prefer it would not be because of jumps.

[function9 0]

Procver said:

You misunderstand me, that's why I said "Maybe it's not the frequency but the causes what's not quite right." meaning it is ok that punctures happen kind of often, but I'd prefer it would not be because of jumps.

  I did mistake your posts and I am sorry. Thank you for correcting me. Hopefully they're able to alter the behavior on just landings and not affect other situations.

[KevM 44]

Hit a tree lightly with front right hand bumper corner - get a puncture on the rear left 

Because....  ??  

Annoys the life outta ye!!

[dgeesi0 305]

i got a puncture on pant mawr in daily other week on first corner just handbraking it round :D

this really needs to be sorted in ww update or in a patch shortly after.one of the very few things which is wrong with this great game.

[RyuMakkuro 6]

dgeesi0 said:

i got a puncture on pant mawr in daily other week on first corner just handbraking it round :D

this really needs to be sorted in ww update or in a patch shortly after.one of the very few things which is wrong with this great game.

Let me guess. Entered a bit too soon and scratched the front with the bumper? At least that's how I got my punctures at that spot xD

My best example is still scratching the snow bank in Monte Carlo and getting a puncture. Nothing will beat a snow giving you a puncture. Well, unless you would get a puncture mid-air xD

[KevM 44]

Its so annoying, its actually mildly amusing now when you hear about it happening to some other poor sod for a change! :)

[Procver 3]

RyuMakkuro said:

 Well, unless you would get a puncture mid-air xD

Who knows? The air pressure might change during a huge jump... lol just kidding

[KevM 44]

Nitrogen is the answer.....                                                                                                                         





(or some concrete)

[RyuMakkuro 6]

KevM said:

Its so annoying, its actually mildly amusing now when you hear about it happening to some other poor sod for a change! :)

I'm past the point of it being amusing when it happens to other people. Now it's just sad.

[JZStudios 631]

RyuMakkuro said:

dgeesi0 said:

i got a puncture on pant mawr in daily other week on first corner just handbraking it round :D

this really needs to be sorted in ww update or in a patch shortly after.one of the very few things which is wrong with this great game.

Let me guess. Entered a bit too soon and scratched the front with the bumper? At least that's how I got my punctures at that spot xD

My best example is still scratching the snow bank in Monte Carlo and getting a puncture. Nothing will beat a snow giving you a puncture. Well, unless you would get a puncture mid-air xD

You never know, it could be condensed to a large chunk of pointy ice.

[RyuMakkuro 6]

JZStudios said:

RyuMakkuro said:

dgeesi0 said:

i got a puncture on pant mawr in daily other week on first corner just handbraking it round :D

this really needs to be sorted in ww update or in a patch shortly after.one of the very few things which is wrong with this great game.

Let me guess. Entered a bit too soon and scratched the front with the bumper? At least that's how I got my punctures at that spot xD

My best example is still scratching the snow bank in Monte Carlo and getting a puncture. Nothing will beat a snow giving you a puncture. Well, unless you would get a puncture mid-air xD

You never know, it could be condensed to a large chunk of pointy ice.

With a cherry on the top? xD

[JZStudios 631]

RyuMakkuro said:

JZStudios said:

RyuMakkuro said:

dgeesi0 said:

i got a puncture on pant mawr in daily other week on first corner just handbraking it round :D

this really needs to be sorted in ww update or in a patch shortly after.one of the very few things which is wrong with this great game.

Let me guess. Entered a bit too soon and scratched the front with the bumper? At least that's how I got my punctures at that spot xD

My best example is still scratching the snow bank in Monte Carlo and getting a puncture. Nothing will beat a snow giving you a puncture. Well, unless you would get a puncture mid-air xD

You never know, it could be condensed to a large chunk of pointy ice.

With a cherry on the top? xD

I'm told it does wonders during summertime.

[SnelleEddie 0]

Too bad v1.0 did not improve anything regarding the exagerrated chances of getting a tire puncture.

I just drove the '01 Focus and got a tire puncture after a medium sized jump on my first run.

Can somebody like DeputyDiRT or someone else tell us if this is actually being looked into? It's hard to enjoy 'Flying Finland' when the only thing that's flying are punctured tyres coming off like nothing.

[METAL666nz 0]

I am not the fastest but I dont often get punctures. I do run some strange damper/suspension settings  though. I can attack finland at a fairly good rate with no issues.  I have lots of punctures from clipping rocks and walls though.

[AphDburn 0]

I dunno how you guys get punctures so often. I recommend driving with a bit more care. 

[SnelleEddie 0]

It's not just reckless driving that leads to punctures. I think it's clear that something is wrong, and it's not our driving style :)

[SinineSiil 0]

I'm getting rear punctures by bumping into things with front in Monaco today.

[BrySkye 14]

function9 said:

Please link to some footage of rally cars getting blowouts from landings. Cause I can't ever recall seeing it. You're trying to defend some behavior that isn't right by using a completely different (and wrong) argument. Because punctures are at times a frequent consequence in rallying, we should accept getting punctures in the game on landings. :|

I posted links to articles and a tweet from the official Marcus Grönholm twitter account about getting punctures from hard landings from jumps.

https://twitter.com/GronholmM/status/513409414519607297/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Maybe it happens too much in DiRT Rally, but it's something that can happen in reality, especially if you take big jumps flat out.
The way I see it, it's risk/reward. The system could be improved, but I couldn't say it's fundamentally broken, because I do not encounter punctures anywhere near as frequently as some of the people in this topic and I can only go from my own experiences.

[KevM 44]

the Driving should be risk/reward, not the punctures!

[BrySkye 14]

KevM said:

the Driving should be risk/reward, not the punctures!

I don't really follow. What other way is there to interpret it?
Allow me to rephrase then, it's a gamble. The more you push it, the greater the risk. But the greater the reward if you get away with it.
That's the key part though. It's getting away with something. 

[SinineSiil 0]

Guy in my ear told me that car behind me is saving joker for the last lap when he took it on second already.
2nd 3rd place switch rapidly between each other in spectating UI. Third guy disconnected early, could be linked somehow, no idea.
Illegal cutting is very inconsistent. Sometimes I get warning that I'm under investigation sometimes not.

[function9 0]

BrySkye said:

function9 said:

Please link to some footage of rally cars getting blowouts from landings. Cause I can't ever recall seeing it. You're trying to defend some behavior that isn't right by using a completely different (and wrong) argument. Because punctures are at times a frequent consequence in rallying, we should accept getting punctures in the game on landings. :|

I posted links to articles and a tweet from the official Marcus Grönholm twitter account about getting punctures from hard landings from jumps.

https://twitter.com/GronholmM/status/513409414519607297/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Maybe it happens too much in DiRT Rally, but it's something that can happen in reality, especially if you take big jumps flat out.
The way I see it, it's risk/reward. The system could be improved, but I couldn't say it's fundamentally broken, because I do not encounter punctures anywhere near as frequently as some of the people in this topic and I can only go from my own experiences.

That is the first time I've ever heard of it happening. Not saying it couldn't, but with all the coverage I've watched, I can't ever recall hearing about it. So yes, it does happen. At the same frequency that happens in game? No way. I just did a handful of runs through Kontinjarvi in the Fiesta with the default setup. I ran flat out until I got a puncture/after the yellow house jump. Out of 8-9 runs, I got 3 punctures from the jump before the first split. On the 5-6 runs that I made it to the yellow house, I got a puncture every time except once. Somewhat interesting, it's always, always the left rear that goes on that jump (the one before the split).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBJ9zZ2Nwis

Now I don't know how accurate the road is in game compared to the real stage, what I've seen some jumps look a bit off, and there's some jumps that aren't there at all in real life. But, I don't think there's any jump on the real stage that can't be taken flat out in real life. Even so, perhaps the big jump is a bit too much (at least in game) to take flat out, ok. But, without taking any other damage prior to it, I find it hard to believe you should be able to get a puncture from that jump before the first split.

And I'm sorry, this isn't directed at you, but just in general. I'm getting a little tired of the "don't go flat out over jumps" in regards to punctures, "stay in the middle of the road" talking about roadside banks/mounds/etc. It reminds of this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_vvI26NnwE

It's the best in the world as long as you do it exactly like this, this, and this. And don't try to do that or that. The last time I checked this was supposed to be an authentic rally game/sim, not City Car Driving.

[KevM 44]

BrySkye said:

KevM said:

the Driving should be risk/reward, not the punctures!

I don't really follow. What other way is there to interpret it?
Allow me to rephrase then, it's a gamble. The more you push it, the greater the risk. But the greater the reward if you get away with it.
That's the key part though. It's getting away with something. 

Yes, that's exactly what I mean!  That's Rally driving!  Pushing your driving limits should be the risk & gamble, mechanical sympathy should be a small consideration too (which has no bearing in the game), but tyres, unless taking silly cuts, really shouldn't really feature as a concern for a driver, and that's the thing with DiRT at present.  
Ouninpohja stage records are challenged year on year in the WRC but you never hear of drivers exercising tyre sympathy over the jumps!  Regularly, Iv seen front bumpers go under cars on hard landings, 4 tyres intact!  Drivers get their back injured from landings without blowing a tyre!!!

If I am going for a full-on stage attack in Finland, 9 times out of 10, I have to restart due to puncture, resetting due to a plane-crash accident is only a 2 out of 10 occurrence & I believe that to be skewed .

[EddDragn 0]

Ford Fiesta (default setup)

Big jump (under the blue arch), speed: about 170-180 km/h --> almost guaranteed punctures.
Medium jump in the 1st section, speed: about 140-150 km/h --> no punctures.

[schisophrenic 0]

I was doing monthly online event, 3 punctures within 5 minutes, than again and engine failure. Selling my copy.