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Shame neuville meeke and Latvala all had unfortunate problems and retirements that weren't really their own faults. Would have kept it more interesting. But very happy for Paddon, he's got a win coming soon

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Paddon is abosolutely amazing. I always go to him and then to Mikkelsen to cheer for when Latvala goes wrong. Speaking of which, his championship is in jeoprady.

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I think they can just hand the title to Ogier right now. He's just too good to let this slip away.

At least Hyundai can keep it close in the manufacturers standings for now.

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I'm a bit worried that Latvala may not ever see a driver's title in his career, unless something takes Ogier out of the title fight, which we all know is unlikely. It's a shame because he's been so close in the past, but with Ogier racing the best he can do is 2nd place.

I'm happy to be rooting for Paddon and the Hyundai team, I think this year's going to be particularly fruitful for them. 

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They added an additional cam to most of the drivers on WRC+. Old style wheel action onboard. Way to go WRC!


Ok, scratch that. I cheered too early. Most additional cams are useless pedal cams/backward cams etc. Boooo

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Ogier seems way too strong this year aswell. The manufacturers title seems more open this year though :-)

But the quest for a challenge to Ogier goes on. 2017 season will be interesting with a fully supported Meeke, Paddon doing his best and hopefully Evans returning to WRC filled with confidence after his WRC2 run.

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I'm in the older set
Henning was great, really great in Sweden
I must say it's a good flavoring to have him in the recipe

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Quite an interesting analysis of Latvala's chances to make a come-back: link

I wish the field of 2016 was as close as the one of 2001 where Burns managed to come back from a 70 point deficit while only winning a single rally. Ogier is an amazing driver, but it's getting seriously boring to see him win all the time :(

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What's with guys named Sebastien winning all the time? They've won driver's titles for past 12 years.  ;)

I don't know if  we'll ever have a title fight like 2001 again. I know everyone loves the 70s and 80s but for me 2001 was one of the most exciting seasons I've seen. They uploaded all the TV coverage for the whole year on YouTube, it's a great watch for those who haven't seen it.

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From about the late 90's to 2009 there seemed to always be some great battles as far as the driver's championship was concerned. Like the 2006 season: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_World_Rally_Championship#Drivers.27_championship
Not sure what's more impressive, the fact that Loeb took 8 rallies that year while being out the last 4 rallies (broken shoulder) and won the championship, or that Gronholm had 7 wins and only 1 retire that season and still lost by 1 point.

Or 2009: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_World_Rally_Championship#Drivers.27_championship
Hirvonen has 1 retire and finishes no lower than 3rd in the rest. Loses the championship by 1 point. I still say Citroen paid Latvala off in Poland. :p

As far as this season goes, both Meeke and Latvala have some seriously bad luck. I honestly believe some kind of witchcraft/voodoo is involved. Sweden for example, Ogier has 2 offs, 1 where he hydroplanes on an unexpectedly flooded part of the stage and runs into a bunch of small trees/bushes, comes out unharmed. Mikkelsen also with 2 offs I believe, one of which he smacked a tree stump with the right, rear side of the car quite hard, clips a tree with the front and comes away unscathed besides a torn up front bumper. Meanwhile Meeke and Latvala do nothing out of the ordinary and sustain rally ending damages.


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Unfortunately with rally, that's how it goes sometimes. You don't seemingly do anything wrong, and yet you are out. Sometimes the tiniest mistake ends your rally, whereas someone else gets away with murder in comparison.

My older brother won his championship a few years ago whilst lying in bed. All the other guy had to do was finish on the last event, but he spun at low speed and beached the car on the very edge of the stage. Like literally 3/4 of the car was still on the road, but the front wheels were stuck and there were no spectators to help, so that's where they remained

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I'm just glad we're getting manufacturers back into the WRC. Toyota next year, and who knows who else will come in after that. Maybe a surprise Peugeot stepping up from WRC2. 

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I'm just glad we're getting manufacturers back into the WRC. Toyota next year, and who knows who else will come in after that. Maybe a surprise Peugeot stepping up from WRC2. 


Peugeot belongs to the same concern as Citroen, so I think they will stay put in WRC2 - on the other hand they competed against each other in WRC in the early 2000s. Kind of strange decision, management wise.

I would love to see some italian manufacturer back in the fold. Lancia doesn't seem to have a suitable car (do they sell any, by the way?), but Fiat would be a nice addition.

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YoMrWhite said:
I'm just glad we're getting manufacturers back into the WRC. Toyota next year, and who knows who else will come in after that. Maybe a surprise Peugeot stepping up from WRC2. 


Peugeot belongs to the same concern as Citroen, so I think they will stay put in WRC2 - on the other hand they competed against each other in WRC in the early 2000s. Kind of strange decision, management wise.

I would love to see some italian manufacturer back in the fold. Lancia doesn't seem to have a suitable car (do they sell any, by the way?), but Fiat would be a nice addition.

The Ypsilon is the only recent Lancia that comes to mind. 

If they squashed it down and made it a bit wider then it could be converted into a WRC car, but it's a massive stretch, and very unlikely. 


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This instantly reminds me of this gallery

http://www.topgear.com/car-news/motorsport/gallery-modern-sports-cars-get-classic-rally-makeovers#5

If only...

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YoMrWhite said:
I'm just glad we're getting manufacturers back into the WRC. Toyota next year, and who knows who else will come in after that. Maybe a surprise Peugeot stepping up from WRC2. 


Peugeot belongs to the same concern as Citroen, so I think they will stay put in WRC2 - on the other hand they competed against each other in WRC in the early 2000s. Kind of strange decision, management wise.

I would love to see some italian manufacturer back in the fold. Lancia doesn't seem to have a suitable car (do they sell any, by the way?), but Fiat would be a nice addition.

The Ypsilon is the only recent Lancia that comes to mind. 

If they squashed it down and made it a bit wider then it could be converted into a WRC car, but it's a massive stretch, and very unlikely. 

Sadly Lancia seems dead without some reorganisation in FIAT to revive it. I believe the Ypsilon is now only sold in Italy and won't be replaced.

Seems criminal to let such a brand die. In a similar vein the latest of many Alfa Romeo "revivals" has been put on the back burner yet again.

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YoMrWhite said:
I'm just glad we're getting manufacturers back into the WRC. Toyota next year, and who knows who else will come in after that. Maybe a surprise Peugeot stepping up from WRC2. 


Peugeot belongs to the same concern as Citroen, so I think they will stay put in WRC2 - on the other hand they competed against each other in WRC in the early 2000s. Kind of strange decision, management wise.

I would love to see some italian manufacturer back in the fold. Lancia doesn't seem to have a suitable car (do they sell any, by the way?), but Fiat would be a nice addition.

The Ypsilon is the only recent Lancia that comes to mind. 

If they squashed it down and made it a bit wider then it could be converted into a WRC car, but it's a massive stretch, and very unlikely. 


It reminds me of Miriam Margolyes and a hawk. I like it.

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The Ypsilon is the only recent Lancia that comes to mind. 

If they squashed it down and made it a bit wider then it could be converted into a WRC car, but it's a massive stretch, and very unlikely. 


That won't work. That's as if Toyota would use the Yaris. Wait...

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That won't work. That's as if Toyota would use the Yaris. Wait...
Or Hyundai an i20...

The shame is that in modern times rally cars seem out of sync with road cars, you can get a luke warm Polo or Fiesta whilst the manufacturer money is in the hot versions of the bigger Golf R & Focus RS. Hyundai will bring out a performance i30 N. Citroen just don't seem to bother.

The benefit of rally success seems to be at a badge level rather than relating to cars you can buy in the showroom. A Yaris seems inconceivable as a sporty car but I guess the same could be said the standard Chevettes, Escorts & Sunbeams of yesteryear whilst the sports versions were revered by rally fans and you could actually buy them.

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its a wonder why they don't make sporty versions out of their road going equivalents, would be cool to see a sporty polo or ds3, especially if it was something like the new focus rs

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its a wonder why they don't make sporty versions out of their road going equivalents, would be cool to see a sporty polo or ds3, especially if it was something like the new focus rs
It is because of the hierarchy of models, they have to fit in a pecking order so a Polo R would have to fit in between a Polo GTI and a Golf GTI and there isn't much room to make it viable. Plus a Polo R couldn't outperform a Golf R as the Golf will be a more profitable car to sell as a flagship hot hatch.

The same with the Fiesta and clearly Hyundai want the i30 N to compete with the Golf R and Focus RS as that is where there is more money to be made.

I'd love to see a wild Polo R that is the quickest VW to match the WRC car but unfortunately rally fans aren't the target market, just using rally success as a credibility factor for the pub (or more likely internet car forums!)

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Something interesting i saw on the mexico preview show, Mäkinen said they already have selected the drivers for toyota but are not allowed to reveal them yet. Has this been in the news yet?

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