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Huge freaking wings/aero, that's exactly what the same idiots thought would be good for F1 back in the late nineties.

Took them years to work out what everyone else had already seen, that they couldn't race with each other because the downforce was screwed up.

Now that won't matter in Rally, but having a massive reliance on aero is not gonna be good.
This is what I was worried about. However, on tarmac, it might make a difference.

Then again, Ogier thought it was pretty shit on tarmac, so...

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JML Signed Toyota.                                             

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versedi said:
JML Signed Toyota.                                             
  Yay! (?)

I'm glad to see him with the chance to develop and tune a car to his liking with a probably stable contract but, seeing as the Yaris will likely be an underachiever, I'm worried for his mental strength. If the Yaris turns out to be uncompetitive, he might suffer from not being able to get good results and his bad runs could continue.

Go Sisu!

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I think Latvala will have a good time with the Yaris, wouldn't be surprised if he manages a win or two. 

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Huge freaking wings/aero, that's exactly what the same idiots thought would be good for F1 back in the late nineties.

Took them years to work out what everyone else had already seen, that they couldn't race with each other because the downforce was screwed up.

Now that won't matter in Rally, but having a massive reliance on aero is not gonna be good.


High speed with huge amounts of grip. Shit's gonna go bad when they go off the road though.

IMO they should go the other way. Go back to the small 90's type of spoilers that hardly produce downforce. Less grip is more entertaining.

If I could choose I would also go back to RWD and H-shift dog boxes ;)

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M-Sport unveiled the 2017 Fiesta WRC

https://www.facebook.com/MSportLtd/posts/1310493195660396

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/introducing-the-2017-ford-fiesta-wrc


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Does anybody apart from me think WRC is going in the WRONG direction with these cars?

Reminds me very much of the move from the old homologated Gp2 and Gp 4 cars in 1982 to Gp B. And we all know how that worked out.

Insane cars that very few privateers could get access to, or afford to run. And very few drivers who had the ability to control them. And after a bunch of unfortunate deaths Gp B was banned.

Rallying, originally, was about reliability. And to rally you at least manufacturers had to have produced a few thousand similar road cars.

This car, with a monstrous wing looks nothing like a Ford Fiesta.

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cjl9 said:
Does anybody apart from me think WRC is going in the WRONG direction with these cars?

Reminds me very much of the move from the old homologated Gp2 and Gp 4 cars in 1982 to Gp B. And we all know how that worked out.

Insane cars that very few privateers could get access to, or afford to run. And very few drivers who had the ability to control them. And after a bunch of unfortunate deaths Gp B was banned.

Rallying, originally, was about reliability. And to rally you at least manufacturers had to have produced a few thousand similar road cars.

This car, with a monstrous wing looks nothing like a Ford Fiesta.
I will agree with you to an extent.  The last line, where this looks nothing like a Fiesta, yes.  They are going very very far away from what you can buy.  Back in Gp B they had to make so many of the car that actually looked like racer (basically).  Besides the Audi S1E2 the aero kits where minimal.

I'm probably going to be proved wrong about the above statement.

The aero is just ridiculous now, nearly to the point of silly.  Maybe in full sponsored livery, it will calm down the lines a little, but IDK well see.

I don't think we will see a repeat of 1982 where people where killed because of the power of the cars.  Safety is way more controlled today than then.  That being said, there are far more stupid people with phones that will put themselves in danger (selfies with cars flying by, etc), I hope not.  


Everyone has an opinion that differs on here.  I will enjoy the speed and power, probably the sound too.  But we will see about the entertainment value.

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Modern rallycars are nowhere near as difficult to control as the Group B monsters were, so I wouldn't worry about the drivers being unable to control them.

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Modern rallycars are nowhere near as difficult to control as the Group B monsters were, so I wouldn't worry about the drivers being unable to control them.
Absouletely agree.
Main points:
1. Suspension technology.
2. Tyre/Rubber technology.
3. Brakes.
4. Hydraulic handbrake (I'm not sure if that was present in group B, as well as active differential, could some1 acknowledge me?)
5. Totally different approach/style of rallying.

Compare landing in Finland/Sweden of group B car and actual WRC car. Current car isn't like landing, it's comforting itself on a gravel or snow made pillow.

But...
I like that the organizers want to bring some attention to the sport. Maybe it will give some. 

One thing @gfRally  said - I'd like to see a comback of RWD class with all that footage/attention from main WRC class! That would be really entertaining. Why they don't expand the overall competition to few classes? IMHO that could be one of the best approaches, all different types of petrolheads could find something for theirs likings. 

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versedi said:
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4. Hydraulic handbrake (I'm not sure if that was present in group B, as well as active differential, could some1 acknowledge me?)

Gr.B  didn't had a central diferencial, so when you pulled the Handbrake, you locked all four wheels. Thats why you saw them do three point turns in some hairpins.

People should stop worrying about the things before they are unleashed. From what I saw in the test footage the cars are amazing, and from what I saw from the VW tests here in Portugal, they're even more sideways

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TheFlyingTuga said:
Gr.B  didn't had a central diferencial, so when you pulled the Handbrake, you locked all four wheels. Thats why you saw them do three point turns in some hairpins.
People should stop worrying about the things before they are unleashed. From what I saw in the test footage the cars are amazing, and from what I saw from the VW tests here in Portugal, they're even more sideways.

Thanks, I wasn't sure about that.

You definitely have a strong point that I agree to some level.
As I think @SimVansevenant  said it's more of a gliding than going side ways. 

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versedi said:
Modern rallycars are nowhere near as difficult to control as the Group B monsters were, so I wouldn't worry about the drivers being unable to control them.
Absouletely agree.
Main points:
1. Suspension technology.
2. Tyre/Rubber technology.
3. Brakes.
4. Hydraulic handbrake (I'm not sure if that was present in group B, as well as active differential, could some1 acknowledge me?)
5. Totally different approach/style of rallying.

Compare landing in Finland/Sweden of group B car and actual WRC car. Current car isn't like landing, it's comforting itself on a gravel or snow made pillow.

But...
I like that the organizers want to bring some attention to the sport. Maybe it will give some. 

One thing @gfRally  said - I'd like to see a comback of RWD class with all that footage/attention from main WRC class! That would be really entertaining. Why they don't expand the overall competition to few classes? IMHO that could be one of the best approaches, all different types of petrolheads could find something for theirs likings. 
I had a hydraulic handbrake on my Gp 2 Mk 1 Escort BDA back in 1972

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I still think the sport would be a lot more popular if the cars were based on production cars. The cost would come down dramatically. Many more people would go rallying (there used to be 180 entries on the Internationals when I did them, mainly privateers) and the crowds would come back to watch.

And the "antics" of less-powerful, poorly-handling cars on gravel, tarmac and snow would be much more entertaining than the controlled approach you get with modern technology.

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Modern rallycars are nowhere near as difficult to control as the Group B monsters were, so I wouldn't worry about the drivers being unable to control them.
The FiA clearly aren't as confident in the drivers as you, given the restrictions on the new cars. 

I personally think the new cars are great. Yes, I would love to see a return of Group A style homologation  and manufacturers having to put rally cars in the showroom... but I know that, in the real world, that era has long gone and a return to such regulations would scare most manufacturers off. 

We now have four marques (perhaps five if VW do strike a deal) all with bonkers looking cars that should absolute smash the current stage times. I don't want to see the WRC become the sport of a chosen few, but I do want to see cars going as fast as possible and a decent scrap for the title. 2017 looks like it might deliver this, so I have high hopes for next year.

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In my opinion all these cars, especially from the back, are just ugly.

Of course these cars have much better handling as the gp.B cars ever had, but the cornering speed becomes bonkers. Meaning if it goes wrong it goes wrong at a higher speed until people get hurt or worse.

It's a FIA idea the cornering speed has to go up, same in F1. I don't quite understand why. I want to see electric devices are banned more than now so the driving skills become more important which means more action on the track. 

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In my opinion all these cars, especially from the back, are just ugly.

Of course these cars have much better handling as the gp.B cars ever had, but the cornering speed becomes bonkers. Meaning if it goes wrong it goes wrong at a higher speed until people get hurt or worse.

It's a FIA idea the cornering speed has to go up, same in F1. I don't quite understand why. I want to see electric devices are banned more than now so the driving skills become more important which means more action on the track. 

I disagree when it comes to looks. They look menacing, even from the back. And they'll look even better once they got their official liveries on them.

Secondly, there hasn't been a time when drivers who had high speed offs didn't get hurt. There's no way to prevent injuries in this type of sport.
You need to keep in mind that although the body panels of the cars are fragile, the internal structure of WRC's, and other classes, is very solid. It was specifically built to withstand high speed offs.

Also higher cornering speed means a higher speed out of the corner which influences the speed between corners and that leads to a higher overall speed. It makes sense. Seeing them fly by even faster than before will raise your heart rate even more and that equals more excitement for the fans. If one slides by sideways it looks cool but isn't quick in most cases and there for will feel less exciting.
Sideways = "Yeah, nice!"
High speed = "Woehoooeeeeeew!!!!"

Action and spectacular sideways driving is not a priority in top level racing, or rallying in specific, but speed and times are. Being the quickest between two points is the main goal, that's how you win. The cars are built specifically for that. What separates the best from the good ones is skill. The one with the best driving skills becomes champion. I know that one car is better than the other and that has an influence as well but still the one with the best driving skills usually goes the quickest and is the most consistent. That's why Ogier is champion again. 

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I agree with Janne about the looks, they all look like sports shoes to me. :D
It's the same transformation that the WTCC went through between 2013 and 2014.
Doesn't make them look any better! Haha.

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