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Going back to establishing start order. I was wondering if they could go back to qualifying stage to achieve this (similar to ERC with drivers choosing start positions) but then someone would have to be a road sweeper on that very stage anyway. So the best idea is to let them play a stage in DR. The same road conditions for everyone :) 
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I just think road position is part of rallying. At an amateur level we use seeded road position, so fastest first. But that's because there is a lot of difference in speed, and people would be catching eachother a lot more.

Ogier can clearly deal with it, so I don't see his problem
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Ogier will complain in any situation, in tarmac he gets angry because for the power stage he has all the gravel on the tarmac and all the cuts rougher and he says oh i am going slower because of that, it is unfair i have to be First for all the rally and when it is the power stage i start at the end, he is a little girl he cries every time
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At least he congratulated the winner saying: "In the last one Hayden did an amazing time. He definitely went for it and I didn’t do enough. I had the feeling that my driving was clean but I was not pushing too hard because I was scared to take zero points (...) Well done to them. They have done a great time in the last stage. I have to say that I am a competitor and I don’t like to be second, but it is much easier to accept to be beaten this way. The difference happened behind the steering wheel. They have done it, well done! They deserve it!"
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Paddon is incredibly determined as well as talented. He puts in so much effort before rallies. By the sounds of it he studied every inch of that powerstage before the rally, then pulled off an incredible run. I think even if Ovier had pushed, he would have struggled to take the 2.6 seconds he needed to take the win
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Ogier will complain in any situation, in tarmac he gets angry because for the power stage he has all the gravel on the tarmac and all the cuts rougher and he says oh i am going slower because of that, it is unfair i have to be First for all the rally and when it is the power stage i start at the end, he is a little girl he cries every time
Untrue. Ogier cries way more than my little girl ever does.
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dwkGravey said:
Ogier will complain in any situation, in tarmac he gets angry because for the power stage he has all the gravel on the tarmac and all the cuts rougher and he says oh i am going slower because of that, it is unfair i have to be First for all the rally and when it is the power stage i start at the end, he is a little girl he cries every time
Untrue. Ogier cries way more than my little girl ever does.
LOL, sorry for my mistake he have the guiness world record in crying
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Myrvold said:
Paddon seriously?????? Last year he was in Elfyn's pace, so i do not expectativas to much from him in sweden, gravel ones is where he go Fast.

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Dude, this year sweden was really different than other years with full snow.
He is really Fast in gravel as i said, and he is good at the other surfaces also. And he didnt win in sweden as i have said so...
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Myrvold said:
Paddon seriously?????? Last year he was in Elfyn's pace, so i do not expectativas to much from him in sweden, gravel ones is where he go Fast.

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Dude, this year sweden was really different than other years with full snow.
He is really Fast in gravel as i said, and he is good at the other surfaces also. And he didnt win in sweden as i have said so...
Relax :) I was in Sweden - I know about the condition, almost went off on a run-through on Thursday. I was just having a little cheeky remark, as if 2nd is "not much", it's kinda strange :)

Cool down now :)
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Toyota have started testing for 2017 (finally), and rumours of neuville moving to Citroen for next year? Not sure how long he has signed contracts with Hyundai for, but I get the impression he is not as happy as he used to be there. Hope something gets worked out for him soon
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Toyota have started testing for 2017 (finally), and rumours of neuville moving to Citroen for next year? Not sure how long he has signed contracts with Hyundai for, but I get the impression he is not as happy as he used to be there. Hope something gets worked out for him soon
He ends his deal with Hyundai at the end of the year, so he might probably go with Citröen who would have a great pair of drivers with Meeke-Neuville also maybe if Ford gets interested could go to Ford WRC, not to just M-Sport in my opinion. But I am sure that in Hyundai he will not stay, it is said that he have a bad relationship with the directors.

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Julien Ingrassia and Sebastien Ogier are the worst couple of WRC in terms of people, at the end Ingrassia said to the media that it was unfair that the "Yogurt Pots" referring to the RC4/RC5 cars damaged the road and they have to change the lines because of them. And the wellknown Cryman Ogier that want to sleep more and not to be First on the road as it was always in the history of rallying.
Ingrassia was very unrespectful, because he started in a Yogurt Pot as he says, he didnt started in the Polo WRC which is the very best Car and he cant win since Sweden, he vomited his anger of cant win rally Argentina against the amateurs or rookies who are getting started in rallying.
Poor guys they are Fast but in their brain they have mocus
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Julien Ingrassia and Sebastien Ogier are the worst couple of WRC in terms of people, at the end Ingrassia said to the media that it was unfair that the "Yogurt Pots" referring to the RC4/RC5 cars damaged the road and they have to change the lines because of them. And the wellknown Cryman Ogier that want to sleep more and not to be First on the road as it was always in the history of rallying.
Ingrassia was very unrespectful, because he started in a Yogurt Pot as he says, he didnt started in the Polo WRC which is the very best Car and he cant win since Sweden, he vomited his anger of cant win rally Argentina against the amateurs or rookies who are getting started in rallying.
Poor guys they are Fast but in their brain they have mocus
Hunger for glory turned to lust.

Also, I really really hate when Ogier complains about starting first and then goes on to win gravel events like a motherf***er. If he can deal with it he can go shut up. Oh, it's unfair that he can't go faster than he already does is his argument.
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Toyota have started testing for 2017 (finally), and rumours of neuville moving to Citroen for next year? Not sure how long he has signed contracts with Hyundai for, but I get the impression he is not as happy as he used to be there. Hope something gets worked out for him soon


Yes, it seems he has lost his mojo and needs a change.

But if I'm Citroen, I would stay put with Meeke, Lefebvre and Breen for next season. All three are highly motivated, they do the testing and therefore will know the car for 2017. I'm not sure how much upside Breen and Lefebvre have, but I would give them a chance to prove themselves in 2017.

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I'm a bit out of touch with the WRC at the moment, but what did happen to Neuville? I'm surprised to not see him around.
Mystery, nobody knows if Hyundai are angry with him and they dont provide the same Car that is near the polo like the one which Hayden and Sordo uses or he is not in his mood and he have massive lacks of confidence.
I cant believe in the second one, i think it is that he doesnt feel confy at all with the Hyundai ( cant believe it, because he developed it and even challenged the polos in some stages) or the Car is not that good as the other which is weird but thierry goes flat out but times are not showing, he will have ended 2mins ago from Hayden in Argentina despite the problems and failures.

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I'm a bit out of touch with the WRC at the moment, but what did happen to Neuville? I'm surprised to not see him around.
Mystery, nobody knows if Hyundai are angry with him and they dont provide the same Car that is near the polo like the one which Hayden and Sordo uses or he is not in his mood and he have massive lacks of confidence.
I cant believe in the second one, i think it is that he doesnt feel confy at all with the Hyundai ( cant believe it, because he developed it and even challenged the polos in some stages) or the Car is not that good as the other which is weird but thierry goes flat out but times are not showing, he will have ended 2mins ago from Hayden in Argentina despite the problems and failures.

It's quite unlikely they're sabotaging their own team by providing a sub-standard car... he was named in the first team for Argentina so they're still putting faith in him to win manufacturer points.

Pure speculation: He doesn't seem motivated to me. It's almost as if he feels entitled to something - has been rattled by some bad crashes and Hyundai's faith in switching him out of the first team for Paddon last year / ego stuff behind the scenes has happened, and has decided not to knuckle down for the team. 
Hyundai openly criticised him for his second crash at mexico, after being given instructions to bring the car in for manufacturer points. The fact he ignored them and pushed feels to me like he's just driving for himself.

I was surprised after Sweden that Hyundai put Paddon back in the N team for Mexico & Argentina - they're obviously giving Neuville every opportunity to step up. I think they have to put Paddon in the first team for any gravel rally this season.... and considering the form of Sordo & Neuville, Sordo should be joining him. 
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Talent wise it's paddon and neuville in the first team, but right now, results wise, it's paddon and sordo. There's no conspiracy behind anything by, just don't think he's happy within the team. He's had a few bad results and crashes, and *speculation* not been getting on well with the team. I also think that him and paddon don't get on great with eachother for some reason. Was it Spain last year that neuville went off in a stupid place? Turned out to be transmission problems threw him off the road, but paddon was furious at the time for binning it for the team
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But when he crashed it was because he is despertate to be where he want, also i know it is weird to sabotage its own Team but maybe they are wanting facts to put Paddon in Team one and thierry to N but it is really weird
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I'm a bit out of touch with the WRC at the moment, but what did happen to Neuville? I'm surprised to not see him around.
Mystery, nobody knows if Hyundai are angry with him and they dont provide the same Car that is near the polo like the one which Hayden and Sordo uses or he is not in his mood and he have massive lacks of confidence.

Paddon has said that they're all treated as equals at Hyundai, and they don't actually have a labelled No. 1 driver. So they're all using the same spec car. 
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Julien Ingrassia and Sebastien Ogier are the worst couple of WRC in terms of people, at the end Ingrassia said to the media that it was unfair that the "Yogurt Pots" referring to the RC4/RC5 cars damaged the road and they have to change the lines because of them. And the wellknown Cryman Ogier that want to sleep more and not to be First on the road as it was always in the history of rallying.
Ingrassia was very unrespectful, because he started in a Yogurt Pot as he says, he didnt started in the Polo WRC which is the very best Car and he cant win since Sweden, he vomited his anger of cant win rally Argentina against the amateurs or rookies who are getting started in rallying.
Poor guys they are Fast but in their brain they have mocus
Remember last season I think it was, when the WRC showed Ogier signing a last minute autograph for a kid before heading off for a stage? It happened like a day after another one of his petulant tantrums, and totally didn't look staged for the cameras at all. They'll have to hire that kid again in Portugal for another "look how nice Ogier is" moment, but put the kid in a wheelchair this time, and also have Ingrassia rescue a kitten.
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Yeah, previously they had Thierry as no1 driver, but this year they are mixing them up. Sordo is technically no1 as rules state you have to nominate a driver, however they said they're all equal within the team. Most likely that they are aiming for manufacturers title. Shame as I think paddon was in second team last weekend
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So i didn't know those things about Ogier & Co. but having seen other examples of him from last years title win (end of year wrap up thing) and watching coverage this year, i do not like them, specifically Ogier.

He comes across as a miserable git, and i don't like him for that, oddly, i never really liked Loeb either, so, fittingly, i just put it down to miserable Frenchmen, but i doubt it's all that.
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So i didn't know those things about Ogier & Co. but having seen other examples of him from last years title win (end of year wrap up thing) and watching coverage this year, i do not like them, specifically Ogier.

He comes across as a miserable git, and i don't like him for that, oddly, i never really liked Loeb either, so, fittingly, i just put it down to miserable Frenchmen, but i doubt it's all that.
I like Loeb. He's a nice and humble dude. I never did like Ogier though.
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Yeah, previously they had Thierry as no1 driver, but this year they are mixing them up. Sordo is technically no1 as rules state you have to nominate a driver, however they said they're all equal within the team. Most likely that they are aiming for manufacturers title. Shame as I think paddon was in second team last weekend
Yeah I think Paddon's been in the second team all season, with Sordo and Neuville in the primary team. 
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So i didn't know those things about Ogier & Co. but having seen other examples of him from last years title win (end of year wrap up thing) and watching coverage this year, i do not like them, specifically Ogier.

He comes across as a miserable git, and i don't like him for that, oddly, i never really liked Loeb either, so, fittingly, i just put it down to miserable Frenchmen, but i doubt it's all that.
I like Loeb. He's a nice and humble dude. I never did like Ogier though.
That's good, i think i just didn't like his utter domination :)
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Dytut said:
Yeah, previously they had Thierry as no1 driver, but this year they are mixing them up. Sordo is technically no1 as rules state you have to nominate a driver, however they said they're all equal within the team. Most likely that they are aiming for manufacturers title. Shame as I think paddon was in second team last weekend
Yeah I think Paddon's been in the second team all season, with Sordo and Neuville in the primary team. 
No, they're running a weird setup this year, where they swap the 3rd driver to the second team for their weak events.  Paddon did start on last years car in Monte, but got the same machinery after that, regardless of team.  It's just a rules thingy.
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So i didn't know those things about Ogier & Co. but having seen other examples of him from last years title win (end of year wrap up thing) and watching coverage this year, i do not like them, specifically Ogier.

He comes across as a miserable git, and i don't like him for that, oddly, i never really liked Loeb either, so, fittingly, i just put it down to miserable Frenchmen, but i doubt it's all that.
I hate both, they are not good examples of gentlemens and sportsman.
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Dytut said:
Yeah, previously they had Thierry as no1 driver, but this year they are mixing them up. Sordo is technically no1 as rules state you have to nominate a driver, however they said they're all equal within the team. Most likely that they are aiming for manufacturers title. Shame as I think paddon was in second team last weekend
Yeah I think Paddon's been in the second team all season, with Sordo and Neuville in the primary team. 
Paddon was in the first team for Sweden - Sordo dropped to N. I'll be surprised if Paddon isn't in the first team for Portugal and Italy, especially considering his second in Italy last season...
But if he isn't, I guess they're doing it just to keep the pressure off him while he continues to develop.
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Think paddon is still in the second team for Portugal. Thierry is quick enough, just out of form at the moment and occasionally inconsistent. Sordo is consistent but not really fast enough, but you can rely on him to pick up a few points. So other than Tarmac events, paddon should probably be replacing Thierry more.
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Think paddon is still in the second team for Portugal. Thierry is quick enough, just out of form at the moment and occasionally inconsistent. Sordo is consistent but not really fast enough, but you can rely on him to pick up a few points. So other than Tarmac events, paddon should probably be replacing Thierry more.
Thierry has a difficult time at the moment. Mentally it's very hard for him. If he's quick it's either him or the car that 'malfunctions'. He hasn't made that much mistakes if I recall correctly. He's had quite a few technical issues though, like in Argentina, which doesn't help him mentally and that shows in his stage times. Dropping him to the second team might be another punch in the guts. It's not really a step down because he has the same car but it suggests that Hyundai doesn't have all that much faith in him which might hit him really hard.

In other news: François Duval runs the Rallye de Wallonie in Belgium with a DS3 R5. He had about 30 sec. on Freddy Loix after the penultimate stage of the second leg but crashed out of the rally on today's final stage. He's still very quick but there must be some kind of spell on him whenever he drives a Citroën rally car.
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Think paddon is still in the second team for Portugal. Thierry is quick enough, just out of form at the moment and occasionally inconsistent. Sordo is consistent but not really fast enough, but you can rely on him to pick up a few points. So other than Tarmac events, paddon should probably be replacing Thierry more.
Thierry has a difficult time at the moment. Mentally it's very hard for him. If he's quick it's either him or the car that 'malfunctions'. He hasn't made that much mistakes if I recall correctly. He's had quite a few technical issues though, like in Argentina, which doesn't help him mentally and that shows in his stage times. Dropping him to the second team might be another punch in the guts. It's not really a step down because he has the same car but it suggests that Hyundai doesn't have all that much faith in him which might hit him really hard.
Totally agree, I'm a big fan of Thierry, I was just thinking from a logical perspective of a team trying to get manufacturers points. You can only give someone so many chances, and with Paddon winning rallies and Sordo rarely putting a foot wrong, unfortunately it is a possible option.
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Think paddon is still in the second team for Portugal. Thierry is quick enough, just out of form at the moment and occasionally inconsistent. Sordo is consistent but not really fast enough, but you can rely on him to pick up a few points. So other than Tarmac events, paddon should probably be replacing Thierry more.
Thierry has a difficult time at the moment. Mentally it's very hard for him. If he's quick it's either him or the car that 'malfunctions'. He hasn't made that much mistakes if I recall correctly. He's had quite a few technical issues though, like in Argentina, which doesn't help him mentally and that shows in his stage times. Dropping him to the second team might be another punch in the guts. It's not really a step down because he has the same car but it suggests that Hyundai doesn't have all that much faith in him which might hit him really hard.

In other news: François Duval runs the Rallye de Wallonie in Belgium with a DS3 R5. He had about 30 sec. on Freddy Loix after the penultimate stage of the second leg but crashed out of the rally on today's final stage. He's still very quick but there must be some kind of spell on him whenever he drives a Citroën rally car.
Ah Duval, rallying fluke and tounge-fencing legend.
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Totally agree, I'm a big fan of Thierry, I was just thinking from a logical perspective of a team trying to get manufacturers points. You can only give someone so many chances, and with Paddon winning rallies and Sordo rarely putting a foot wrong, unfortunately it is a possible option.
Unfortunately that's true. Paddon is in a good place right now, almost exactly like Thierry was two years ago.
I hope Thierry can put in a few great results in the upcoming rallies showing everyone what he's still capable of and that he's a force to be reckoned with. And hopefully his car won't suffer from any future technical issues. 
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As I thought they had to, Paddon & Sordo make up the first team for Portugal. Hopefully Paddon can keep up the consistency and secure another top 5 finish! Will be interesting to see how Neuville responds..
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