Rallycameraman Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 RallyDriven said: I heard rumours that the main reason for VW's speed above the other teams is their suspension technology. Don't know how much truth to that, but supposedly its leaps and bounds ahead of the other teams Yep that's right. It was very visible how each car handled the big bump on the inside of the right hander I was at on shakedown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbtstt Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 RallyDriven said: I heard rumours that the main reason for VW's speed above the other teams is their suspension technology. Don't know how much truth to that, but supposedly its leaps and bounds ahead of the other teams Slightly off topic, but the Andretti Autosport team (who run the VW Beetles in the American Global Rallycross Championship) have been accused of fitting some sort of trick traction control system to the cars. Impressive engineering (but incredibly poor sportsmanship!) if that is the case. As for the WRC Polos, they do look incredibly planted, even when they are travelling sideways at speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfRally Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 This is more of an opinion and wish than based on facts. It would be cool to see Audi in WRC again, not sure how that would work out with VW owning them. Some of the older 'members' stepping up to compete too would be nice. Again if only $$$ was never an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSRally Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Audi in the WRC will not happen with both VW and Skoda of the Volkswagen Group allready into rallying and Audi competing in WEC and DTM ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyDriven Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I haven't seen anything of Tanak's retirement from GB, so I just watched his onboard on WRC+ of stage 16, and he was incredibly unlucky. It just looks like he touched a bank, which 99 times out of 100 wouldn't have done anything. There were videos of Ogier and Mikkelson hitting banks in the Polo twice as hard as Tanak did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightswipe Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Do you know any site that have each rally with a 1 hour long recap posted anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porkhammer Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Nightswipe said: Do you know any site that have each rally with a 1 hour long recap posted anywhere? http://www.redbull.tv/shows/AP-1GJUZWUCW2111/world-rally-championship-2015Got this one off ramPage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbtstt Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Annoucement on the Citroen Racing website...http://www.citroenracing.com/en/2015/news/wrc-news/69144/citroen-maps-out-its-sporting-future/...indicates that Citroen will sit out the 2016 WRC season and return again in 2017. Bad news for Meeke and Ostberg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSRally Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 So in 2017 we will have VW, Citroen, Hyundai, M-Sport and Toyota!!? That is great news :smiley: Shame though we have to miss citroen for 2016... Or could there be a possibility that they will start as a privateer team next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoMrWhite Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Bad news for Kris Meeke. After Mini it's the second time he is on a team that quits - or takes a hiatus. I really hope he finds a place at M-Sport or Hyundai. Or at least in a private Citroen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruben Correa Alves Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 It's for the best for their future though, if they want to take the time to build a competitive car. Might be so that Meeke and Ostberg stay to test and develop the new car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyDriven Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Lots of drivers for less seats next year then. It's a bit of a shame we will be missing a team next year, but I'm very glad they chose WRC over WTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevM Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Perhaps Meeke jumped ship before now, maybe he's been a catalyst in Citroen pulling 2016? Strong rumours that he's for Hyundai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruben Correa Alves Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 By the way, what happened with Matthew Wilson? I remember him getting injured at some point but looking back at the season trough the link @Porkhammer posted you can see him doing recce work. Was it just funding stopping his WRC career or something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbtstt Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 KevM said: Perhaps Meeke jumped ship before now, maybe he's been a catalyst in Citroen pulling 2016? Strong rumours that he's for Hyundai. Autosport are reporting that Ostberg won't be a part of Citroen's plans in 2016 and that they are still in talks with Meeke. The ideal solution would be for Citroen to allow Meeke to race for another marque in 2016, but I don't know how feasible that is (and it would surely be beneficial for Meeke to be involved with the development of the new car if he is to drive it in 2017). Short term the Citroen annoucement isn't great news as it seems even more likely that the 2016 season will be a VW whitewash. I personally think that's a price worth paying for seeing a decent 2017 season and beyond though: Citroen (hopefully) competitive again, VW, Ford, Hyundai and the return of Toyota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbtstt Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Areyouben said: By the way, what happened with Matthew Wilson? I remember him getting injured at some point but looking back at the season trough the link @Porkhammer posted you can see him doing recce work. Was it just funding stopping his WRC career or something else? I suspect that the fact he wasn't that good and only had a seat because Daddy ran the company might be the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruben Correa Alves Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Or maybe they do what VW did before the Polo when they put Ogier and Abbring in a pair of Skoda's. I could see Citroen let Meeke run a R5 DS3 next year while the 2017 machine is being developed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMaiso99 Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 Areyouben said: By the way, what happened with Matthew Wilson? I remember him getting injured at some point but looking back at the season trough the link @Porkhammer posted you can see him doing recce work. Was it just funding stopping his WRC career or something else? Just find mattyjim1 on instagram and you will be automatically jelous about what he do, he tests thr fiesta and is the manager of Bentley MSport at GT3, BTW please Kris to MSport! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMaiso99 Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 KevM said: Perhaps Meeke jumped ship before now, maybe he's been a catalyst in Citroen pulling 2016? Strong rumours that he's for Hyundai. Hyundai have no cars for top drivers, Neuville, Paddon and will not accept an old i20, they just have 2 new i20's , if they give a old one to Thierry he will retire from Hyundai Motorsport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoMrWhite Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Areyouben said: It's for the best for their future though, if they want to take the time to build a competitive car. Might be so that Meeke and Ostberg stay to test and develop the new car? We'll see. 2017 is going to be a very interesting year, that's for sure.2016 not so much. Looks like a walkover for VW. Somehow I don't believe, Hyundai will be able to close the gap. And M-Sport just hasn't got the same resources. Hope I'm wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyDriven Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 The drivers seem positive that Hyundai are making a big step forward next year with the new car. But this news is looking like we will be sacrificing 2016 for 2017 in terms of competitiveness and excitementedit: Meeke and seb confirmed for part 2016 programme and 2017 development apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallycameraman Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Ostberg full season in a M-Sport Fiesta WRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodgerDavies Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Partial programme for Lefevbre and Meeke with PH Sport, according to the former's Twitter: https://twitter.com/SLefebvreRallye/status/667346679109189632?s=09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szekto Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Today's announcement from Citroen makes no sense for me. They will quit the WRC for 1 year, and then they will enter it in 2017 again...Why the heck they can't participate in 2016, just like collecting the kms and experience for the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
versedi Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 szekto said: Today's announcement from Citroen makes no sense for me. They will quit the WRC for 1 year, and then they will enter it in 2017 again...Why the heck they can't participate in 2016, just like collecting the kms and experience for the future? $$.They need $ for developing new car that could compete with already developed VW for 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyDriven Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 szekto said: Today's announcement from Citroen makes no sense for me. They will quit the WRC for 1 year, and then they will enter it in 2017 again...Why the heck they can't participate in 2016, just like collecting the kms and experience for the future? Maybe they don't have the budget and would rather put all the money into 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodgerDavies Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Yeah, the current car has been in development since 2010/1 - no more major gains to be made with it and might as well focus on the new car rather than chase second in a championship (against a new Hyundai) again. They can also take stock of the driver market in case Neuville, Ogier or Latvala become available for 2017. Makes perfect sense; great news for rallying IMO.Maybe if it isn't a 'current' car though, it would be eligible for DiRT Rally. You know, like the Hyundai i20 (2 door) isn't 'current' any more....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevM Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 RodgerDavies said: Partial programme for Lefevbre and Meeke with PH Sport, according to the former's Twitter: https://twitter.com/SLefebvreRallye/status/667346679109189632?s=09 https://twitter.com/Yves_Matton/status/667359923265789952 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodgerDavies Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Sure they did Yves, sure they did ;)Your face is 7 characters too short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoMrWhite Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 szekto said: Today's announcement from Citroen makes no sense for me. They will quit the WRC for 1 year, and then they will enter it in 2017 again...Why the heck they can't participate in 2016, just like collecting the kms and experience for the future? It makes sense, because the 2017 cars will be all new and they need someone to test and develop them. Drivers with a full season in the "old" car wouldn't be available often enough.Keeping Meeke and Lefebvre makes sense, too - if that is confirmed. They need at least one driver with some experience. Apparently Kris is willing to sacrifice one year and Lefebvre still needs some time to develop anyway. Let's just hope they do a few rallies to make things more interesting in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoMrWhite Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 KevM said: RodgerDavies said: Partial programme for Lefevbre and Meeke with PH Sport, according to the former's Twitter: https://twitter.com/SLefebvreRallye/status/667346679109189632?s=09 https://twitter.com/Yves_Matton/status/667359923265789952 Oh well, there goes my analysis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallycameraman Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Also with Citroen not competing in 2016 they're not tied by any of the FIA regulations so they can do as many testing days and kilometres as the want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodgerDavies Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Rallycameraman said: Also with Citroen not competing in 2016 they're not tied by any of the FIA regulations so they can do as many testing days and kilometres as the want. Couldn't they do that anyway? Doesn't seem like VW have been holding back on testing their 2017 mule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqdstr Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Back in 2006 Citroen did exactly the same thing, pulling out of the WRC for 1 year to further develop the C4 WRC for 2007.Loeb & Sordo ran in privateer Xsara WRC's prepared by Kronos Racing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecraicbear Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 EDIT: Didn't realise Citroen were taking part still, just not in a competitive programme. My first thought was that they were going to miss the season altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodgerDavies Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 thecraicbear said: EDIT: Didn't realise Citroen were taking part still, just not in a competitive programme. My first thought was that they were going to miss the season altogether. They will, as a team, but I suspect they'll pay for PH Sport to run Meeke and Lefebvre in a few European events, both to keep their hand in and to incentive development of the new car, in Meeke's case. It won't be like Kronos running full season in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbtstt Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 szekto said: Today's announcement from Citroen makes no sense for me. They will quit the WRC for 1 year, and then they will enter it in 2017 again...Why the heck they can't participate in 2016, just like collecting the kms and experience for the future? I personally don't think the current-spec DS3 is on par with the Polo. Why pour money and development trying to sort that car when it will be redundant at the end of the year anyway? I think their plan makes perfect sense: and it's good news for the WRC in the long term as Citroen seem to have a renewed interest in it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodgerDavies Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Secondary bonus is that WTCC might be worth watching again, with private Citroens and (semi-)works Ladas, Hondas, Volvos and private Citroens and Chevys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MastaVonBlasta Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I can see the reasoning behind Citroen's decision to miss out on 2016 and come back strong in 2017 when the beasty new cars will come in.However, that leaves up to 9 factory seats in the 2016 championships, out of which 5-6 are very firm. I do think there's more talented drivers deserving a WRC drive than 9... And that will leave without much to do in 2016...The sad state of WRC is that even for privateers it's challenging to attract sponsors willing to fork out for a full campaign, as they just don't see the return in terms of promotion.Are VW going about WRC in a good way? Absolutely yes - they've created an unbeatable combo of team + car + driver and it seems no other manufacturer wants to go that HARD at WRC. It's quite interesting that VW still want to do it, with the emissions scandal going on.I hoped there would be some movement in the factory teams for next year, but there just won't be any. 2016 will be a bit of gap, slow year after which we'll hopefully see a good revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMaiso99 Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 https://twitter.com/mattyjim1/status/667422126035574784 well thats gossiping, the stickers was aimed to petter? And finally matthew used it? For me 90% Petter Solberg to MSport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMaiso99 Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 Petter also named as rally legend in WRGB https://twitter.com/WalesRallyGB/status/666917036505882624 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyDriven Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Pretty sure petter is doing rallycross next year, but there were hints he might be looking at doing something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodgerDavies Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 RX for next year, but possibly not with Citroen. He said he was trying to get funding for an entry to Rally Sweden for 2016 and I think he's looking at the Dakar for 2017. If that is, as rumoured, with Toyota, it could mean he's doing some WRC testing for them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMaiso99 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 Tanak confirmed at DMack WRT, hope for a young gun to be his team-mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodgerDavies Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Fedemaisonnave said: Tanak confirmed at DMack WRT, hope for a young gun to be his team-mate Expecting Ketomaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMaiso99 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 RodgerDavies said: Fedemaisonnave said: Tanak confirmed at DMack WRT, hope for a young gun to be his team-mate Expecting Ketomaa Yes, thats why i put hope, because Ketomaa would be a really bad choice, not the speed of any young gun and any future in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSRally Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Fedemaisonnave said: RodgerDavies said: Fedemaisonnave said: Tanak confirmed at DMack WRT, hope for a young gun to be his team-mate Expecting Ketomaa Yes, thats why i put hope, because Ketomaa would be a really bad choice, not the speed of any young gun and any future in it I would prefer to see Tidemand or Lappi instead of Ketomaa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallycameraman Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 It's not been confirmed at all. Just speculation at the minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMaiso99 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 Rallycameraman said: It's not been confirmed at all. Just speculation at the minute. Watch tanaks facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyDriven Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Yeah tanak himself on Twitter suggested that he hasn't heard about any of this! Dmack are supposed to be making a big announcement soon, so it's likely they will be putting a world rally team together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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