Jump to content Jump to content

2022 FIA World Rally Championship


FMaiso99

Recommended Posts

Anders Jæger will be the new co-driver for Andreas Mikkelsen next year. Which makes perfect sense since he was supposed to take over from Ola in the 2017 season.
https://www.andreasmikkelsen.no/news/anders-jaeger-to-co-drive-andreas-mikkelsen/

Game of Chair continues, now they have to find a new co-driver for Veiby. If they keep to Norwegians, it might be Stig Rune Skjærmoen.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Myrvold said:
Anders Jæger will be the new co-driver for Andreas Mikkelsen next year. Which makes perfect sense since he was supposed to take over from Ola in the 2017 season.
https://www.andreasmikkelsen.no/news/anders-jaeger-to-co-drive-andreas-mikkelsen/

Game of Chair continues, now they have to find a new co-driver for Veiby. If they keep to Norwegians, it might be Stig Rune Skjærmoen.
If Veiby has a JWRC or WRC2 campaign i think that Emil Axelsson will be the man who will sit with ole, but i think maybe he will do just WRX
Link to comment
Share on other sites

“We have a strong pool of drivers with a range of experience and strengths. We will not constrain ourselves by fixing specific car line-ups at each rally, instead assembling the best composition for each event to maximise our championship chances.
All three drivers will contest all rounds, including the rally in China that will be new for everyone. They will have equal opportunities in the drivers’ championship."

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/december-2015/hyundai-drivers/page/3044--12-12-.html

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yeah, that's what they say, but they have to nominate one specific driver to do a minimum of ten events. Even if they plan on all three to do all fourteen rounds, there's an official #1 role that has to be bestowed, and they gave this to Thierry, much as I believe Sordo earned it over the last two years.

Hmm, having said that, maybe they dropped that rule for this year.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

YoMrWhite said:
Looks like Meeke is going to be confirmed as driver for Citroen, with a contract for the next three years.
Based on what we have seen thus far, Citroen certainly seems to be a safer bet for Meeke than Toyota. As much as I hope that Toyota arrive on the scene with a competitive car in 2017, what has been seen of their program hasn't filled me with confidence. 

Citroen do seem to have gone off the boil a bit over the last couple of years, but they are making the right noises now and, with the WTCC effort ditched, they will surely be more focused on the WRC. Great to hear that Kris will be keeping his hand in next year as well. 
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes, I think Citroen is the safer choice, too. They know how to build winning cars, while Toyota is out of rallying since 1999. My guess is it will take some time for them to be competitive.

For Meeke, a 3-year-contract is a nice and welcome new experience, after being under contract for only one year twice in a row. Some job security, at last.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

YoMrWhite said:

For Meeke, a 3-year-contract is a nice and welcome new experience, after being under contract for only one year twice in a row. Some job security, at last.

That's what he said when he got the drive with MINI! :smiley: Citroen seem committed though and I really hope it comes together for Meeke.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

tbtstt said:
YoMrWhite said:

For Meeke, a 3-year-contract is a nice and welcome new experience, after being under contract for only one year twice in a row. Some job security, at last.

That's what he said when he got the drive with MINI! :smiley: Citroen seem committed though and I really hope it comes together for Meeke.


Well, Mini is a part of BMW, and BMW has never been fond of rallying. (Aaaaah, dirt on my car, how disgusting!) So it was kind of stillborn, even though Dave Richards managed it.

Citroen on the other hand has a long legacy in rallying, dating back to the 60s, altough they had their share of disasters as well (Group B...). Nothing is guaranteed, of course, but I think they won't pull the plug on this, even if they don't win immediately.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

YoMrWhite said:
Looks like Meeke is going to be confirmed as driver for Citroen, with a contract for the next three years.
Its the right move for him.  I don't believe that Toyota will make the grade as far as performance goes.  Meeke could have hugely assisted with development, his background is mechanical engineering, but with Citroen, he's at home and better the devil you know and all that....
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Myrvold said:
Anders Jæger will be the new co-driver for Andreas Mikkelsen next year. Which makes perfect sense since he was supposed to take over from Ola in the 2017 season.
https://www.andreasmikkelsen.no/news/anders-jaeger-to-co-drive-andreas-mikkelsen/

Game of Chair continues, now they have to find a new co-driver for Veiby. If they keep to Norwegians, it might be Stig Rune Skjærmoen.
If Veiby has a JWRC or WRC2 campaign i think that Emil Axelsson will be the man who will sit with ole, but i think maybe he will do just WRX

Nah, as Marklund and VW Dealer Team Sweden have merged, the plan is to run 2 cars for Marklund and Kristofferson, then run a 3rd car on a full-time testing schedule. That will most likely be Veiby. But as his dad, is the boss of  EVEN Management, who have Andreas Mikkelsen, Pontus Tidemand and Esapekka Lappi in the stable, I don't think Veiby will move away from rallying.
Axelsson was confirmed to leave Tidemand, before Jæger took the spot alongside Mikkelsen, quoted as "Getting new responsibilities as duties". I don''t think they knew everything back then.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Really pleased Citroen have given Meeke a 3 year deal. This is exactly what he needs to show what he can do. I really hope Citroen give him the resources he wants and needs to develop the new C3 WRC. He's got plenty of experience of R & D work with Citroen having done it with both the C4 and Xsara, as well plenty of mileage in the DS3.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I really hope Meeke has a better season in 2016, you can just tell watching the rally reviews how truly upset he gets about letting the team down or crashing out.  He was in tears when he won Argentina, he really deserved it.  He has the pace to compete with the best, but Ogier is on another level and Latvala is very close to Ogier.  I think the VW is just the better car at the moment, rarely breaks down if ever and just seems unbeatable.  I remember watching a couple of post stage interviews with drivers from Ford, Citroen etc, they say they are pushing 110% and couldn't do anything else but they just can't match the Polo stage times. 

I hope 2016 mixes things up, watching Ogier win constantly is getting stale.  We've seen that for almost a decade with Loeb.  I'd love to see Meeke, Paddon, Mads, or someone else start winning rallys.  When the fight for a world championship is over half way through the season, it kinda sucks.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

griev0r said:
I really hope Meeke has a better season in 2016, you can just tell watching the rally reviews how truly upset he gets about letting the team down or crashing out.  He was in tears when he won Argentina, he really deserved it.  He has the pace to compete with the best, but Ogier is on another level and Latvala is very close to Ogier.  I think the VW is just the better car at the moment, rarely breaks down if ever and just seems unbeatable.  I remember watching a couple of post stage interviews with drivers from Ford, Citroen etc, they say they are pushing 110% and couldn't do anything else but they just can't match the Polo stage times. 

I hope 2016 mixes things up, watching Ogier win constantly is getting stale.  We've seen that for almost a decade with Loeb.  I'd love to see Meeke, Paddon, Mads, or someone else start winning rallys.  When the fight for a world championship is over half way through the season, it kinda sucks.
I have high hopes for Latvala next season. He had an abysmal start this year, unfortunately, and the title battle was lost in Argentina. If he gets a win in Mexico and Sweden (supposing he won't win in Monte Carlo), we'll have a good battle. Also, with the new i20, I suppose the Hyundai trio will have a go at the VWs.

M-Sport... Camilli, seriously?
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yeah, Latvala is my second favorite driver in the WRC.  Don't get me wrong I can appreciate just how good Loeb and Ogier are at the pinnacle of the sport, but they are clinnicle, and not very interesting personalities tbh.  I would love to see Latvala really challenge Ogier next year, and that no BS team orders like Citroen did for years get in the way of that.  I hope 2016 is Latvala's year, he's a great personality in the sport and has been at it for many years, plus he just has a great style to his driving that is fun to watch.

Even though I'm American I have a soft spot for British drivers, I love Mcrea/Burns/Meeke etc.  Would love to see Kris mix things up next year.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

griev0r said:
I really hope Meeke has a better season in 2016, you can just tell watching the rally reviews how truly upset he gets about letting the team down or crashing out.  He was in tears when he won Argentina, he really deserved it.  He has the pace to compete with the best, but Ogier is on another level and Latvala is very close to Ogier.  I think the VW is just the better car at the moment, rarely breaks down if ever and just seems unbeatable.  I remember watching a couple of post stage interviews with drivers from Ford, Citroen etc, they say they are pushing 110% and couldn't do anything else but they just can't match the Polo stage times. 

I hope 2016 mixes things up, watching Ogier win constantly is getting stale.  We've seen that for almost a decade with Loeb.  I'd love to see Meeke, Paddon, Mads, or someone else start winning rallys.  When the fight for a world championship is over half way through the season, it kinda sucks.
I have high hopes for Latvala next season. He had an abysmal start this year, unfortunately, and the title battle was lost in Argentina. If he gets a win in Mexico and Sweden (supposing he won't win in Monte Carlo), we'll have a good battle. Also, with the new i20, I suppose the Hyundai trio will have a go at the VWs.

M-Sport... Camilli, seriously?
I have studied Camilli times of 2015 season and he have done really really Fast ones, beating the skodas in spain, beating lefebvre by 1sec/km in MonteCarlo, and many more, also by watching his pet vídeos in the yaris and in the Fiesta he have a really good pace, and his hairpins are masterclass, behind bobby k ones which are awesome simply perfect
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 1 month later...
Myrvold said:
Anders Jæger will be the new co-driver for Andreas Mikkelsen next year. Which makes perfect sense since he was supposed to take over from Ola in the 2017 season.
https://www.andreasmikkelsen.no/news/anders-jaeger-to-co-drive-andreas-mikkelsen/

Game of Chair continues, now they have to find a new co-driver for Veiby. If they keep to Norwegians, it might be Stig Rune Skjærmoen.
If Veiby has a JWRC or WRC2 campaign i think that Emil Axelsson will be the man who will sit with ole, but i think maybe he will do just WRX
Well, I called it :)
Link to comment
Share on other sites

PaloSamo said:
I wouldn't rule out Toyota for 2017. Look what VW did in their debut 2013 season. 


VW had Ogier and Mikkelsen as test drivers for the whole year 2012. After fighting for the title with Citroen, Ogier basically took a year off, competing only in a few events in WRC2 for Skoda.

This worked obviously great. Now on the other hand, Toyota couldn't lure Meeke away from Citroen and all the other top drivers are under contract, too. Maybe they could still get Evans. But right now it looks as if development is in the hands of retired drivers and/or youngsters. No ideal scenario for sure. I could even imagine them to unretire Hirvonen.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

YoMrWhite said:
PaloSamo said:
I wouldn't rule out Toyota for 2017. Look what VW did in their debut 2013 season. 


VW had Ogier and Mikkelsen as test drivers for the whole year 2012. After fighting for the title with Citroen, Ogier basically took a year off, competing only in a few events in WRC2 for Skoda.

This worked obviously great. Now on the other hand, Toyota couldn't lure Meeke away from Citroen and all the other top drivers are under contract, too. Maybe they could still get Evans. But right now it looks as if development is in the hands of retired drivers and/or youngsters. No ideal scenario for sure. I could even imagine them to unretire Hirvonen.

VW have put massive efforts and budget to achieve that results, and toyota would be a hyundai competitor, with worst drivers
Link to comment
Share on other sites

VW came in with a strong car and very strong drivers
Hyundai came in with a good car and good drivers.

Hyundai have had a further two years of competitive development for both the car and drivers, so Toyota need to find some talent to join them next year, otherwise they will probably struggle to compete against the others
Link to comment
Share on other sites

My prediction for Toyota: Due to the lack of firstrate drivers to test and develop this year, 2017 will mostly be another year of development. They will have one of the current Hyundai drivers in their fold, or maybe Ostberg. From 2018 on, they should be competitive, if they have the right car and concept. And unlike M-Sport, money shouldn't be a problem.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

YoMrWhite said:

My prediction for Toyota: Due to the lack of firstrate drivers to test and develop this year, 2017 will mostly be another year of development. They will have one of the current Hyundai drivers in their fold, or maybe Ostberg. From 2018 on, they should be competitive, if they have the right car and concept. And unlike M-Sport, money shouldn't be a problem.

I suppose they might pick up Evans and some other rising star along the way, maybe from the ERC or the IRC. Hell, maybe even a World RX driver!

This season I really, honestly expect to see Hyundai at least fighting for the manufacturer's title.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

YoMrWhite said:
PaloSamo said:
I wouldn't rule out Toyota for 2017. Look what VW did in their debut 2013 season. 


VW had Ogier and Mikkelsen as test drivers for the whole year 2012. After fighting for the title with Citroen, Ogier basically took a year off, competing only in a few events in WRC2 for Skoda.

Ogier was engaged in a full wrc2 campaign missing only New Zealand ;) 
Link to comment
Share on other sites

PaloSamo said:
YoMrWhite said:
PaloSamo said:
I wouldn't rule out Toyota for 2017. Look what VW did in their debut 2013 season. 


VW had Ogier and Mikkelsen as test drivers for the whole year 2012. After fighting for the title with Citroen, Ogier basically took a year off, competing only in a few events in WRC2 for Skoda.

Ogier was engaged in a full wrc2 campaign missing only New Zealand ;) 
Yes but they tested in EVERY RALLY after the WRC events with the polo, and there were extensive test weeks
Link to comment
Share on other sites

PaloSamo said:
YoMrWhite said:
PaloSamo said:
I wouldn't rule out Toyota for 2017. Look what VW did in their debut 2013 season. 


VW had Ogier and Mikkelsen as test drivers for the whole year 2012. After fighting for the title with Citroen, Ogier basically took a year off, competing only in a few events in WRC2 for Skoda.

Ogier was engaged in a full wrc2 campaign missing only New Zealand ;) 
Yes but they tested in EVERY RALLY after the WRC events with the polo, and there were extensive test weeks
I remember watching the WRC reviews the year he was driving for Skoda, and he was pushing into WRC times in a S2000 car constantly.  Def not my favorite driver, but can't deny his talent.  He had an insane high speed crash in the Skoda if I'm not mistaken that year also, can't find the video.

Kris Meeke is my boi, but he isn't doing a full season as far as I know which sucks.  So this year, I'd love to see Latvalla do better.  Love that guy but he seems to have the worst luck.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

YoMrWhite said:
PaloSamo said:
I wouldn't rule out Toyota for 2017. Look what VW did in their debut 2013 season. 


VW had Ogier and Mikkelsen as test drivers for the whole year 2012. After fighting for the title with Citroen, Ogier basically took a year off, competing only in a few events in WRC2 for Skoda.

This worked obviously great. Now on the other hand, Toyota couldn't lure Meeke away from Citroen and all the other top drivers are under contract, too. Maybe they could still get Evans. But right now it looks as if development is in the hands of retired drivers and/or youngsters. No ideal scenario for sure. I could even imagine them to unretire Hirvonen.

Yeah, I agree with @YoMrWhite . VW threw money at the WRC program and were using all arms of the VAG to accumulate data on the car and experience for their drivers. 

I really hope that Toyota are competitive in 2017, but the way the program has been run thus far does not fill me with confidence. 
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Toyota are nowhere near the level of preparation VW was aiming for and achievement during the season before joing the competition.

Toyota team based in Finland are still assembling technical staff, while VW was probably at the same flat out finishing off the VW Polo R V1, which would then later hit test stages for ****loads of kms ahead of the season.

Mr Makinnen mentioned they want to start testing in spring, but VW had established drivers, a test mule in Fabia, a test car soon after, unlimited testing and a full team in place.

Either Toyota Gazoo steps on it right now or they risk embarassing themselves come WRC 2017 season start...
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Anyone else, feel like the championship will loose something when Kubica leaves it after Monaco? Yes he's not been successful, but he's only been rallying 5 years or so... and is certainly right up there for pace when hes not in a ditch. (and arguably the quickest on tarmac)
He is certainly one of the most exciting drivers to watch.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

PaloSamo said:
YoMrWhite said:
PaloSamo said:
I wouldn't rule out Toyota for 2017. Look what VW did in their debut 2013 season. 


VW had Ogier and Mikkelsen as test drivers for the whole year 2012. After fighting for the title with Citroen, Ogier basically took a year off, competing only in a few events in WRC2 for Skoda.

Ogier was engaged in a full wrc2 campaign missing only New Zealand ;) 

Checked it. You're right.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

austinb said:
Anyone else, feel like the championship will loose something when Kubica leaves it after Monaco? Yes he's not been successful, but he's only been rallying 5 years or so... and is certainly right up there for pace when hes not in a ditch. (and arguably the quickest on tarmac)
He is certainly one of the most exciting drivers to watch.
Fully agree: you just know he is going to end up in a bush, but right up until that point he is usually fantastic to watch. 

I guess there is only so long you can fund a driver like that though...
Link to comment
Share on other sites

tbtstt said:
austinb said:
Anyone else, feel like the championship will loose something when Kubica leaves it after Monaco? Yes he's not been successful, but he's only been rallying 5 years or so... and is certainly right up there for pace when hes not in a ditch. (and arguably the quickest on tarmac)
He is certainly one of the most exciting drivers to watch.
Fully agree: you just know he is going to end up in a bush, but right up until that point he is usually fantastic to watch. 

I guess there is only so long you can fund a driver like that though...

Must. Not. Behave. Like. A. Fanboy.

I'll stay out of this one...

Or not. 2015 season for Kubica was 50% mistakes / 50% issues due to organisation of the team/lack of budget. He was left with no choice, but to create a team from scratch in very little time and that didn't work.

For Monte Carlo he has teamed up with BRC so hopefully he can focus mostly on driving, not running a team...

I think if Kubica was really to leave WRC for good the sport would lose a great deal. It is my view that his participation increased interest in the series in many countries and his talent is pretty clear to see. I think it would a shame if the commercial climate of WRC/or views of people who make the decisions lead to him going elsewhere. If he goes back to circuit racing I think he'll excell there and bring exposure to someone else.

I can understand that to someone with a slightly more neutral stance towards Kubica he may appear to be Crashbica, but I've been following him closely and honestly believe that with a bit more time and proper funding he'd really be at the top.

With Kris Meeke opting to go with Citroen for 2017 I think Toyota should really consider Kubica. He's got an outstanding experience in car and setup development, and it's said that he's really technical and detailed with engineers. And he's f****** fast.

Fanboy out.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

KevM said:
& M-Sport have secured funding to confirm a full program in 2016

Thats good news!

And a nice analysis MastaVonBlasta, In some ways you could say that he drives like McRae did, but without the 'rallying since a boy' experience. And yeah the detailed technical understanding is something an experienced F1 driver will inherently carry with him, even into a completely different discipline.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • The title was changed to 2022 FIA World Rally Championship

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

×
×
  • Create New...