Pikes Peak V2 Physics Need Critics

[RyuMakkuro 6]

Rallycameraman said:

Yeah I barely use any over steer either. Mostly on the hairpins. It's hard to nail every single one of them mind. At some of the split sections I was 3-4 seconds up on Ryu, but think I lost my time towards the end due to lack of confidence following the many many silly mistakes I kept making. 

I do use some oversteer, but it's not the opposite lock kind. It's the very small correction to make the car straight again. And I'm also not going as fast as possible on the end part. Still need to find the perfect braking spots and the best entry point for those corners. It's done on such a high speed that the smallest difference in line creates a huge difference in speed, which affects time rather greatly.

[KevM 44]

I take it you use triggers Ryu?                  

[RyuMakkuro 6]

KevM said:

I take it you use triggers Ryu?                  

Naturally. Ability to brake while maintaining a bit of throttle is useful even when you don't have clutch/don't use it. Stabilises the car without losing speed essentially or simply allows for a faster entry through a tight corner. A lot of tricks can be done with triggers that you can't do with an analogue stick used as a throttle-brake option.

[Ledanek 0]

What are triggers?
Wish there are mods that removes spectators...

[RyuMakkuro 6]

Ledanek said:

What are triggers?

See those things with "2" bevelled in? Those are triggers. They are called like that because they work just like triggers in a gun.

[Ledanek 0]

Gotcha. I have a PS3 for BluRay.
I call them Rewind Button.

[KevM 44]

Just tried Ryu's setup there, its a complete lottery of handling, quite a mess!  
Wrestling with the car on the power is quite a lot of fun and nearly to be expected, at times I was feeding to full throttle and blending in full opposite lock just to keep the power on, which I enjoy, but not as neutral as he was claiming it to be!  
But the main issue, lift off at all and the amount of 'brake lock' and pre-load on the front diff means Chronic under-steer.  Brake bias - chronic understeer also....

You can see in the replay that, despite my best efforts to drive smoothly AND fast, the car is either in lift-off under-steer or power-on over-steer...  Taming that snappiness with a pad is unbelievable young fellow....  

https://youtu.be/vrOwjWfSGr4

[Rallycameraman 241]

I'll upload my setup and you can try that? I beat Ryu's fastest time by nearly 2 seconds with it. 

[Rallycameraman 241]

Here's my run up PP. Time was 8:17.9        

https://youtu.be/F5bVItMWyaw

[KevM 44]

Good going RCM!  Yep, publish the setup, looks good!

[Rallycameraman 241]

Will upload it when I get home @KevM      

[RyuMakkuro 6]

KevM said:

But the main issue, lift off at all and the amount of 'brake lock' and pre-load on the front diff means Chronic under-steer.  Brake bias - chronic understeer also....

I use braking to stabilise the car and slow it down, while using half throttle through the corners. Sure, it wages the tail out, but it's fast through the corners when you keep it tight. You can't go "POWAH!!!" with it. I call it balanced, since with good throttle management, you won't get understeer at all and the oversteer will only help in turning in.
Judging from your vid, you brake too late and you're too aggressive on the corner entries. Brake earlier, take it nicely and you'll notice the car goes really fast when you don't force it to.

[Dytut 89]

Looking forward to trying out your setup @Rallycameraman :-)

I started playing around on PP last night, hadn't even upgraded any cars in hillclimb. My experience of v1 PP was that it was incredibly hard to judge grip levels, much more enjoyable to drive in v2. Leveled up the quattro and got it just under 9 mins when fully upgraded, but haven't touched any of the settings yet. Looks like cameraman drives much like I do, so will be interesting to see how much difference settings make.

[KevM 44]

RyuMakkuro said:

KevM said:

But the main issue, lift off at all and the amount of 'brake lock' and pre-load on the front diff means Chronic under-steer.  Brake bias - chronic understeer also....

I use braking to stabilise the car and slow it down, while using half throttle through the corners. Sure, it wages the tail out, but it's fast through the corners when you keep it tight. You can't go "POWAH!!!" with it. I call it balanced, since with good throttle management, you won't get understeer at all and the oversteer will only help in turning in.
Judging from your vid, you brake too late and you're too aggressive on the corner entries. Brake earlier, take it nicely and you'll notice the car goes really fast when you don't force it to.

Oh right!  That must be where I'm going wrong then - lol

Seems that PM I sent you a fortnight ago, about the stuff you were arguing didn't exist, is working well for you these days?  (That guy must be making a mint!)

[Rallycameraman 241]

My setup is now on the workshop.                   

[RyuMakkuro 6]

KevM said:
Seems that PM I sent you a fortnight ago, about the stuff you were arguing didn't exist, is working well for you these days?  (That guy must be making a mint!)

Wait, what? You're becoming delusional of late, as I haven't got a single PM from you since almost a week now.

Rallycameraman said:

My setup is now on the workshop.                   

Will check it to see how it differs.

Edit: Ok, first feeling was that the car felt a lot less grounded. Fully opened front diff makes turning in easier, put it effectively makes it so that you can't put down power mid corner, which resulted me getting every single time over 41 seconds on the first split time. In comparison, I did 40.5s on the first go with my setup. Gears are very awkwardly setup as well, with the 3rd gear being obnoxiously long. Not sure if such long gearing is beneficial or not, would have to test it. Brakes were very weak though, had to re-adjust my braking points. They don't give you understeer unlike mine, but that's a trade I'm willing to make personally for better stopping performance.

Generally speaking this setup is more for the people that like to go full power mid corners, as it can't put much power mid corner. It's what I would call the "beginners" setup. Good for learning, not that great for pushing best times. Of course, that's down to personal preference. Keep in mind I made my times with a rather old gamepad that has seen better days, as opposed to brand new T300RS that @Rallycameraman used. I'm really interested in what times he would make with my setup.

Edit2: Just to make a point: http://imageshack.com/a/img911/2969/URsyis.png :p 

PS. My setup is basically "Less the throttle to turn harder". It can put down power at any point in time, which is why some may get understeer mid corner when they should be just using half of it, which results in probably still more actual power being put into the ground than setups with open differentials.

[KevM 44]

Your a funny guy Ryu lol                                         

[Rallycameraman 241]

Your setup feels pretty shit on a wheel, doesn't feel right through the wheel at all. That brake pressure too?! You got ABS on, instant wheel lock with the pedals.

[KevM 44]

Rallycameraman said:

Your setup feels pretty shit on a wheel, doesn't feel right through the wheel at all. That brake pressure too?! You got ABS on, instant wheel lock with the pedals.

You need to practise more apparently RCM (standard generic "defence") - lol

[RyuMakkuro 6]

Rallycameraman said:

Your setup feels pretty shit on a wheel, doesn't feel right through the wheel at all. That brake pressure too?! You got ABS on, instant wheel lock with the pedals.

You can always reduce the brake pressure :p In any case, it works for me, times seem to prove it is definitely competitive as well. Shame that wheel users find it crap, but can't please everyone.

[LNovak 0]

Hey. I'm new here. I love hillclimb but i drive only with 405. Are there any good setups for this car in Workshop? 

[Rallycameraman 241]

RyuMakkuro said:

Rallycameraman said:

Your setup feels pretty shit on a wheel, doesn't feel right through the wheel at all. That brake pressure too?! You got ABS on, instant wheel lock with the pedals.

You can always reduce the brake pressure :p In any case, it works for me, times seem to prove it is definitely competitive as well. Shame that wheel users find it crap, but can't please everyone.

It's the front diff. The forces with it around the centre of the wheel completely change with it fully closed. More to do with the FFB system I think.

[KevM 44]

I find the completely open front diff ain't that fantastic either.  I am a lot happier running a Porky Hybrid setup.  His suspension feels nice, but front 40% accel lock and minimal decel. lock, same gear ratios but a shorter final drive. Nicely balanced, even for us mortals, who are driving on the earths surface ;)

[RyuMakkuro 6]

Rallycameraman said:

RyuMakkuro said:

Rallycameraman said:

Your setup feels pretty shit on a wheel, doesn't feel right through the wheel at all. That brake pressure too?! You got ABS on, instant wheel lock with the pedals.

You can always reduce the brake pressure :p In any case, it works for me, times seem to prove it is definitely competitive as well. Shame that wheel users find it crap, but can't please everyone.

It's the front diff. The forces with it around the centre of the wheel completely change with it fully closed. More to do with the FFB system I think.

Maybe. I know I like the fact that it provides a really good stability and traction (along with good cornering speed as long as you don't hit the understeer), even if it means I'll have to go opposite lock more often, which happens only on the tightest corners, aka those where you use 3rd gear. I need to try half setting on the front diff though.

[KevM 44]

Yes wee man. Try that.  More believable that way