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(this topic is part of my series on malicious input tampering)

The problem here is that the rate at which the virtual player character turns the steering wheel is limited.

This means that if you flick the control input from full left to full right as fast as you can, the in-game steering wheel's reaction is much slower than that.

The solution here is to implement so-called "direct steering", in which the in game wheels turn as fast as the physical player can move their stick on their joystick/controller or wheel.

 I can see why codemasters implemented this steering dampening. Players who use a gamepad or other device with a stick, can make big changes to steering inputs faster than players who use a wheel. but we as a community must ask ourselves: do we really want these kind of handicaps? Or do we want to respect the players' choice of input devices?
For me, personally, this steering dampening is a huge issue and it's driving me mad. Nothing this year  caused me more grief than this hostile misfeature. steering dampening makes the cae almost impossible to control and my stage times are nowhere near where they could be IF THE CAR SIMPLY WASN'T SO DISOBEDIENT

 Also, Advanced Gamepad Setup is not part of the problem. I've spent 2 weeks trying every possible combination of steering sensitivity, steering linearity, and deadzone. none of them even touched the issue of steering dampening. there are exactly 8000 possible combinations, btw.

Also, there is no issue with my hardware. In Advanced Gamepad Setup, the debug view recognizes my steering inputs as quickly as i make them. Just during the race, the game decides to interpret my inputs differently.


 It makes only sense to give the players the choice of direct steering. In real life, the front wheels are connected to the steering wheel by metal rods, not wet spaghetti. of course, this should be implemented as a choice so every player can suit the input to their device and style.

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It's not possible cause of driver's hands animation speed.
You can turn off drivers hands and the wheel will be synced with your controller.

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versedi said:
It's not possible cause of driver's hands animation speed.
You can turn off drivers hands and the wheel will be synced with your controller.

i found no option to disable the virtual driver.
and i don't think the animation is the issue here.  animations can be tweaked to match realtime input. games of the past had that, too

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JaZoray said:
versedi said:
It's not possible cause of driver's hands animation speed.
You can turn off drivers hands and the wheel will be synced with your controller.

i found no option to disable the virtual driver.
and i don't think the animation is the issue here.  animations can be tweaked to match realtime input. games of the past had that, too
Believe or use the search option, it was discussed a lot of times :)

I'm on Linux right now so I'm not 100% sure but it should be:
Main Menu
Preferences
Profile

or
Main Menu
Options
Game settings


And option like: Show wheel / Show wheel + drivers hands / None

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versedi said:
JaZoray said:
versedi said:
It's not possible cause of driver's hands animation speed.
You can turn off drivers hands and the wheel will be synced with your controller.

i found no option to disable the virtual driver.
and i don't think the animation is the issue here.  animations can be tweaked to match realtime input. games of the past had that, too
Believe or use the search option, it was discussed a lot of times :)

I'm on Linux right now so I'm not 100% sure but it should be:
Main Menu
Preferences
Profile

or
Main Menu
Options
Game settings


And option like: Show wheel / Show wheel + drivers hands / None
my mistake. there is intdeed an option to disable the driver animations and the wheel. i turned it off.

But the front wheels still respond sluggishly to steering inputs. so this is unfortunately unrelated to the purpose of this topic.

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Agree with JaZoray 200% !! The steering is a nightmare, I have played with all the steering settings but its hopeless, my G25 is turned 90 deg before the car reacts, its terrible, the car is all over the place, it causes a pendulum motion on RWD cars back end because you are constantly over compensating due to this awefull null zone.  PLEASE Codies, give us precise direct steering.

Ohh and by the way, it took me ages to find the wheel settings, I eventualy found it under ADVANCED GAMEPAD !!?? Can you please title stuff correctly so we can find it. Direct steering & wheel settings should be top priority, not gamepads ! This is a Rally driving simulation not a kiddie arcade game !

Rant over, Buster.

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versedi said:
Do you have vertical sync turned on? Try turning it off if the input lag will disappear
Also, there is no issue with my hardware. In Advanced Gamepad Setup, the debug view recognizes my steering inputs as quickly as i make them. Just during the race, the game decides to interpret my inputs differently.

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Busterbvi said:
Agree with JaZoray 200% !! The steering is a nightmare, I have played with all the steering settings but its hopeless, my G25 is turned 90 deg before the car reacts, its terrible, the car is all over the place, it causes a pendulum motion on RWD cars back end because you are constantly over compensating due to this awefull null zone.  PLEASE Codies, give us precise direct steering.

Ohh and by the way, it took me ages to find the wheel settings, I eventualy found it under ADVANCED GAMEPAD !!?? Can you please title stuff correctly so we can find it. Direct steering & wheel settings should be top priority, not gamepads ! This is a Rally driving simulation not a kiddie arcade game !

Rant over, Buster.
what?!
What are complaining of? You have deadzones man! If theres no movement of the virtual wheel during the first 90º of the G25, you have a lot of deadzone. (Deadzone with wheels is completely useless by the way)

Setup your wheel properly. I have a 200$ cheaper wheel than you and I can feel huge inmersión and superb FFB effects. And of course, the wheel reacts in real time. What you do is what you get.

I guess you have both, a gamepad and the G25, connected when you start Dirt Rally. Try using Dirt Rally only with G25 connected and use the predefined profile (map buttons if you want), adjust FFB to your liking and for god shake, remove deadzones!

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OzoreXS said:
Busterbvi said:
Agree with JaZoray 200% !! The steering is a nightmare, I have played with all the steering settings but its hopeless, my G25 is turned 90 deg before the car reacts, its terrible, the car is all over the place, it causes a pendulum motion on RWD cars back end because you are constantly over compensating due to this awefull null zone.  PLEASE Codies, give us precise direct steering.

Ohh and by the way, it took me ages to find the wheel settings, I eventualy found it under ADVANCED GAMEPAD !!?? Can you please title stuff correctly so we can find it. Direct steering & wheel settings should be top priority, not gamepads ! This is a Rally driving simulation not a kiddie arcade game !

Rant over, Buster.
what?!
What are complaining of? You have deadzones man! If theres no movement of the virtual wheel during the first 90º of the G25, you have a lot of deadzone. (Deadzone with wheels is completely useless by the way)

Setup your wheel properly. I have a 200$ cheaper wheel than you and I can feel huge inmersión and superb FFB effects. And of course, the wheel reacts in real time. What you do is what you get.

I guess you have both, a gamepad and the G25, connected when you start Dirt Rally. Try using Dirt Rally only with G25 connected and use the predefined profile (map buttons if you want), adjust FFB to your liking and for god shake, remove deadzones!

OzoreXS, firstly, I have no deadzones, they have been removed in the wheel settings
in DR. I do not have a gamepad, just a barely used G25. I have spent hours tweaking the wheel settings and experimenting but its hopeless. Vertical Sync is turned off.
Unless anyone else has a solution, I feel direct steering is the only answer.

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Busterbvi said:

OzoreXS, firstly, I have no deadzones, they have been removed in the wheel settings
in DR. I do not have a gamepad, just a barely used G25. I have spent hours tweaking the wheel settings and experimenting but its hopeless. Vertical Sync is turned off.
Unless anyone else has a solution, I feel direct steering is the only answer.
Is the wheel connected directly or you have some USB hub where wheel's plugged in connected to your PC?

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Did all these people who claim that there's something wrong with our hardware or driver settings not read the OP?

The inputs arrive in the game almost instantly and are processed without delay. It's just that the game chooses to interpret these inputs in a very annoying way by slowing down the steering rate of the in game car front wheels.

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I don't have an issue with this at all. What DOR are you using? Even at the 900 I use I don't feel like there's any input... sluggishness.

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OK, I need some clarification, after some though provoking posts here I went in and re-checked my wheel settings in DR, after a closer look, I see that there are wheel settings under ADVANCED GAMEPAD, after much testing, they make no difference to my G25 and my adjustments are not being saved. I see under PRESETS, a Logitec Force is listed (what is that?) but there are no wheel settings there, this is very confusing, where are the wheel settings secretly hidden ?

Another thing, I am on Version 1.0 according to the opening screen, should Steam be updating me to version 1.2 automatically ?

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JaZoray said:
Did all these people who claim that there's something wrong with our hardware or driver settings not read the OP?

The inputs arrive in the game almost instantly and are processed without delay. It's just that the game chooses to interpret these inputs in a very annoying way by slowing down the steering rate of the in game car front wheels.
Terribly sorry to have wasted your time by offering a bit of help that you obviously thought was given without thought. :*
How dare anyone try to give you some ideas that don't fit into your very narrow view of what may be the cause.

Of coarse the OP was read.
Seeing as the problem seems to be rare it would most likely be a user fault, hardware issue or those nasty little gremlin creatures out for some fun, not necessarily a game fault.
If a problem is widespread then more than likely the game is at fault.

Just remember you're dealing with electronics and computers, much like women they have a mind of their own which can do some totally illogical things for no reason and will easily drive you insane.

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Busterbvi said:
Another thing, I am on Version 1.0 according to the opening screen, should Steam be updating me to version 1.2 automatically ?
The latest version is 1.02, not 1.2, there's a difference. The in-game version number only seems to have 2 digits or maybe the devs just chose to not show the little bugfix update numbers. Anyway, steam updates automaticly, so you're most likely on 1.02 already.

I am also not seeing any delays in the steering responsivness. I've played some games, that had steering lag, up to a point on not being playable, but DiRT is not one of them, it seems to be 1:1. There has to be something wrong with your settings. Also, have you calibrated the wheel?

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Didzis, thanks for the input, have a look at my comments above on the wheel settings, let me know your thoughts.

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Busterbvi said:
Ohh and by the way, it took me ages to find the wheel settings, I eventualy found it under ADVANCED GAMEPAD !!?? Can you please title stuff correctly so we can find it. Direct steering & wheel settings should be top priority, not gamepads ! This is a Rally driving simulation not a kiddie arcade game !

Rant over, Buster.
Have you installed the drivers for your wheel? Because it should say "Advanced Wheel settings", when a wheel is detected. If you haven't installed the drivers (Logitech Gaming software 5.10 (I think)), the wheel might still work ingame, but the game might not detect it as a wheel but as a gamepad. And gamepads do have huge deadzones, so the car would be driveable

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Busterbvi said:
OK, I need some clarification, after some though provoking posts here I went in and re-checked my wheel settings in DR, after a closer look, I see that there are wheel settings under ADVANCED GAMEPAD, after much testing, they make no difference to my G25 and my adjustments are not being saved. I see under PRESETS, a Logitec Force is listed (what is that?) but there are no wheel settings there, this is very confusing, where are the wheel settings secretly hidden ?

Another thing, I am on Version 1.0 according to the opening screen, should Steam be updating me to version 1.2 automatically ?

Didzis. I meant these comments, anyway I have to assume the drivers are installed, I get a pop up telling me so when I plug the wheel into the USB port on the PC but I will look into that later and maybe manually install them to be sure

 

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is it possible that those  who claim not to notice any steering dampening simply aren't  steering quickly enough to notice the slowness?

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JaZoray said:
is it possible that those  who claim not to notice any steering dampening simply aren't  steering quickly enough to notice the slowness?
If there was any steering lag, one could definitely feel it. 

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Didzis said:
JaZoray said:
is it possible that those  who claim not to notice any steering dampening simply aren't  steering quickly enough to notice the slowness?
If there was any steering lag, one could definitely feel it. 
there is no lag, just slowness. the turn rate of the wheels is limited. iof you never turn your wheel faster than the turn rate limit, you would never notice the limit.

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I turn it as fast as I need to stay on the road, that includes sudden countersteering. I haven't felt any slowness in the steering rate, it feels like it's 1:1 from my inputs. Also, I drive a wheel with 540°, before that I was using a wheel with 200°, no such issues with that one either

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Busterbvi said:
Busterbvi said:
OK, I need some clarification, after some though provoking posts here I went in and re-checked my wheel settings in DR, after a closer look, I see that there are wheel settings under ADVANCED GAMEPAD, after much testing, they make no difference to my G25 and my adjustments are not being saved. I see under PRESETS, a Logitec Force is listed (what is that?) but there are no wheel settings there, this is very confusing, where are the wheel settings secretly hidden ?

Another thing, I am on Version 1.0 according to the opening screen, should Steam be updating me to version 1.2 automatically ?

Didzis. I meant these comments, anyway I have to assume the drivers are installed, I get a pop up telling me so when I plug the wheel into the USB port on the PC but I will look into that later and maybe manually install them to be sure

 

If you did not install the drivers for your wheel yourself most likely the proper driver is not installed. Logitech does require an install of their software from their website. Windows will install generic drivers to get it working but in order to get all the features of your Logitech equipment you need to go to their website and install them from there.

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